Yeah I agree with this, otherwise we're just going to get an annoying thread with a ton of spoiler tags. There's so many Dota matches that no one watches them all anyways.
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I don't think anything wins vs OD in mid without ganks, prison is just too good at buffing his damage, removing all mana from the enemy and making them miss last hits. The issue is what you can do with an OD. I mean, if you get to sit mid for 20mins you'll roll people no problem and that happens often in pubs, but pro games tend to start the roaming/teamfighting a lot earlier than that and OD needs more farm than what he can get from 10mins of stomping his lane. This is especially true with Meka opening, while a great teamfight item, it basically makes you into a shitty support until you get another item. The damage isn't high enough(unless you engage after getting a few banishes), you have a worse version of Disruption and an ultimate that does non reliable amounts of damage, fairly shitty right click dmg(orb is probably not maxed yet, you have shit for int/mana) and a great aura for some situations. If you don't snowball by responding well to ganks or getting good teamfights, but instead start losing, OD becomes a huge liability. Once he gets rolling he's great at continually stomping, but if he gets behind, he rarely comes back(slow farm, no escape, heavy reliance on gear).Alliance picked a strat from their archive, shame it was outdatedWhat actually counters OD mid ? Even Nyx with manaburn can't keep up. Maybe someone like sniper for the right click or Lion ?
The quantic game where they picked OD showed how shitty it is if you don't capitalize on the strong start. OD shat on Nyx mid, had a 10mins meka, they tried to push a tower, lost the fight due to playing shitty, then lost another fight due to still playing shitty, and then OD could never come back from it, he was irrelevant. He can't flashfarm his way back, he can't rely on his strong skillset to tough it up like a gyro or naix can, he just becomes a shitty SD.
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Right on. I didn't catch that game, but it sounds like Quantic showed both ends of the spectrum with OD, even though I think pug and daz were the stand outs in the alliance game.
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For those of you who watch pro DoTA, which teams are your favorite (NA/EU/Asia doesn't matter)?
How long have you been watching/playing DoTA?
I'm especially curious now with TI3 coming up, I've even got a couple friends who watch the games now and they started off liking a team or two off the bat just because I guess, we all do that at some point if you don't really know what's up with any sport. They started to follow a couple teams that normally I would consider T1/2 but weren't doing so well and ended up cheering for lesser known teams like DD and RoX.KiS a couple of tournaments ago, who actually ended up doing very well.
Anyway, I'm just curious as to who the big player favorites are.
Also, anyone ever been to Dreamhack? Definitely in my future as a vacation at some point, I don't care how old I am...
How long have you been watching/playing DoTA?
I'm especially curious now with TI3 coming up, I've even got a couple friends who watch the games now and they started off liking a team or two off the bat just because I guess, we all do that at some point if you don't really know what's up with any sport. They started to follow a couple teams that normally I would consider T1/2 but weren't doing so well and ended up cheering for lesser known teams like DD and RoX.KiS a couple of tournaments ago, who actually ended up doing very well.
Anyway, I'm just curious as to who the big player favorites are.
Also, anyone ever been to Dreamhack? Definitely in my future as a vacation at some point, I don't care how old I am...
Been playing DotA since about 2006/2007... started watching pro replays around the same time because I wanted to get better.
Don't really have a favorite team, just favorite players: Yaphets, YYF, 430, CTY, Zhou, Chuan, Mushi, G
Guess I'd always favor their teams in matches, but I'd watch them when I want to learn something new about the role.
Been playing hon and Dota for 4-5 years...Dota 2 only now. I dont really have a favourite team either..still enjoy watching navi games, alliance, VP, rox kis...
I watch mostly to learn also, knowing fullwell almost none of the item builds or strategies work in pub matches since teams are never organised
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Been watching dota since hon beta or so, I wasn't in the genre at all until I got into hon beta(and even then it took me a few months before I checked the game out). Very quickly after watching hon competitive I started watching dota1 competitive games even though I had never played dota so I had to learn all heroes names, abilities and looks on low quality videos of an outdate game, was pretty fun.
I don't really have team favorites, at least in general. On a case by case I'll tend to favor certain teams based on their picks or some of their players, I like some of the older dota players so I'll tend to root for teams with say Mania, Kuroky or Loda or whoever has balls to pick stuff like Pudge, Meepo and what not. But mostly I like watching good games, don't really care who plays in them.
In terms of favorites for TI3, currently I'd say Alliance, Na'Vi, LGD.cn and iG(well iG has been shaky as shit, but they were last year too, then they trained for 3months and suddenly destroyed everyone). There are some other teams that could make it into top4 too depending on brackets, luck and just how much they train until then, but that's what I'd put as top 4 for TI3 atm. As to who would win out of these 4, no idea, they can easily all beat each other I feel.
I don't really have team favorites, at least in general. On a case by case I'll tend to favor certain teams based on their picks or some of their players, I like some of the older dota players so I'll tend to root for teams with say Mania, Kuroky or Loda or whoever has balls to pick stuff like Pudge, Meepo and what not. But mostly I like watching good games, don't really care who plays in them.
In terms of favorites for TI3, currently I'd say Alliance, Na'Vi, LGD.cn and iG(well iG has been shaky as shit, but they were last year too, then they trained for 3months and suddenly destroyed everyone). There are some other teams that could make it into top4 too depending on brackets, luck and just how much they train until then, but that's what I'd put as top 4 for TI3 atm. As to who would win out of these 4, no idea, they can easily all beat each other I feel.
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Played Dota since 2004 (WoW raid downtimes = play dota!). Took a break from down for about 4 years until the D2 beta.
Never watched pro Dota until the first TI. Favorite teams are NaVi (because they're good and because they aren't afraid to try new shit) and Fnatic EU because I liked the players back in HoN.
Hard to say about the players, I usually like anyone that can have fun or open up to the community. Dendi, Puppey, Fluffnstuff, Synderen, Fear, etcetc. I personally dislike people like Loda. He sounded like a cool guy back in Dota, but he is a douchebag now.
Never watched pro Dota until the first TI. Favorite teams are NaVi (because they're good and because they aren't afraid to try new shit) and Fnatic EU because I liked the players back in HoN.
Hard to say about the players, I usually like anyone that can have fun or open up to the community. Dendi, Puppey, Fluffnstuff, Synderen, Fear, etcetc. I personally dislike people like Loda. He sounded like a cool guy back in Dota, but he is a douchebag now.
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I love how everyone here that gets chat banned in-game believe it is because they dominate the opposition so hard that they just get muted for beingway too good at the game.
Did you miss the dev team blog post?
Did you miss the dev team blog post?
It also tends to be posters who have a history of either stirring up shit for fun or just being generally annoying. I know what my main theory is.
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Na'Vi because they were once the Only Hope of Western Dota, so there really was no choice but to cheer for them. They also have a history of picking fun heroes (well, Pudge mainly) and rarely play passive 4-protect-1 strats.
Team Liquid because that organization embodies a professional attitude that is sorely lacking from e-sports. Also, their Dota 2 team has been great at innovation and bringing previously unused heroes into the spotlight.
Alliance because they are the best Scandinavian team, which makes them pretty much my home team. I don't like the way some of their players (Read: Loda) act, though.
Playing off and on since version 4-something. I guess ~2004-2005. As for watching, I started out watching HoN when that was big, and started watching Dota 2 a few months before TI2.
Been to the Norwegian equivalent (The Gathering) once in 2001. The Gathering is roughly half the size of DreamHack, but still the second largest BYOC LAN party in the world. I wouldn't go back if you paid me. 5 days of sweaty around-the-clock gaming surrounded by teenagers. The main draw back then was speedy file sharing and no-lag gaming. With today's internet connections, that argument is pretty much dead.
I would consider going to a pure e-sports event as a spectator, but not a BYOC giant event like DreamHack.
This. Everytime i go on a 24h mute, I know it's earned because I flamed... Problem with this system is it punishes every team I'm on for the next 24h more than me ;p