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Grim1
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There is nothing deluded about his reasoning. I experienced the same thing when VC came out. It did take away from the feeling of a living world in EQ and I never RP'd or cared to. Immersion is an illusion, so is watching a movie btw. Suspension of disbelief is necessary to maintain the illusion. VC did hurt the ability to maintain that. For players who don't care about immersion then of course you never experienced the difference, but to dismiss it is dishonest and myopic on your part.
The genie is out of the bottle though, we can't go back to a time when VC didn't exist. VC is here to stay. It is misguided and futile for players trying to get rid of it, they should instead try to get devs to integrate ways to enhance the illusion with VC for those who like immersion.
Soygen
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My brother and I spent literally 12+ hours in Rivervale doing a pottery exploit. 12+ hours of listening to this can drive a man to kill:
Edit: Embed going funky on me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S18yUriXTFg
I probably should have just shut the speakers off.
Kelethin was the grandest city on Faydwer. The High Elves were always slightly jealous.
Yup, kids, stoners, and stoned kids. And yet still better people than you are today.
You can't have both, it has to be one way or the other. I can't even be bothered explaining why. This was a discussion people were having 10 years ago when you were still in the womb.
Voice chat is rampant in modern MMO's and do you even see how that worked out for social interaction? There was none in EQ, and yet it's the most sociable game I've ever played.
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That's more likely because you ARE a dickhead and asshole, so you can't spot them.
That would be cool. If it worked. Part of the problem with the voice chat crowd is that they demand I turn off in game music, and for me, that's a large part of the game.
All these voice chat people need to get a job and some friends imo.
you don't get it because you're a fucking retard. your explanation may ruin immersion for you, but it doesn't for anyone else playing the game. now you, being the raving douche that you are, would probably tell everyone in VC that your cat just jumped onto your keyboard, which is one of fifty million things that people say while in VC that no one gives two flying fucks about, and the reason why so many people can't fucking stand VC. at least try to show some sort of reading comprehension if you want to keep up with the argument.
^ So glad someone said what had to be said. I can't do that any more because the mods are dicks.
Caeden
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I was showing reading comprehension. My point is its all a slippery slope of tuning what you need for your own immersion. No, I don't tell people a damn cat jumped on my keyboard in VC. Every person has a different opinion of immersion. Basically, the anti-vc people would be just as content if we ever managed to build truly random or people-like ai.
It's like the DDR argument. The only thing I see is that the DDR will change where the feet go and the speed of motions. It's still going to devolve into responding efficiently to a scripted event or a mob with kow abilities.
It's like the DDR argument. The only thing I see is that the DDR will change where the feet go and the speed of motions. It's still going to devolve into responding efficiently to a scripted event or a mob with kow abilities.
You might want to re-asses your detailed research on the subject. Seems to me, everyone who cared about this stuff was universally pretty happy with EQ in this regard.
Caeden
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You're using highly subjective terms to make a broad sweeping (and in your mind objective) claim whereas I said its purely subjective, which it is.
I mean, you could make an argument that future elder scrolls games would be way more immersive than any mmo.
I mean, you could make an argument that future elder scrolls games would be way more immersive than any mmo.
Mr Creed
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Unless its required (PvP or cutting edge content that needs fast reaction times) I prefer to just use typing. And Qwerty is right but as usual overdoing it in his zeal to ring in a new era of EQ1. Its the same as last week during Man of Steel when I had at least 3 groups of people close enough to hear their chit-chat and comic-neckbearding going on, it made the movie experience less enjoyable, less immersive. Bad games dont manage to build that to start with so its often not an issue, but I always enjoy at least a bit of immersion in my MMO. Random chatter from 20+ people reduces that. Now some dont care, some can filter it better, but I'm sure we can all agree on that? The result is that people that value immersion dislike VC moreso then those that want to chat with their friends while playing a game.
Every neckbeard vs WoWkids arguments gets painted in black white here and pretty much always the truth is actually a shade of grey. Feels like WW1 trench war on some days.
P.S. funny thing is once the game comes out and if the teasing is actually true both sides will hate it for either not being EQ1 reloaded or for not being close enough to a repolished standard features modern MMO, be that WoW or Wildstar or whatever is the latest has-been at that time.
Every neckbeard vs WoWkids arguments gets painted in black white here and pretty much always the truth is actually a shade of grey. Feels like WW1 trench war on some days.
P.S. funny thing is once the game comes out and if the teasing is actually true both sides will hate it for either not being EQ1 reloaded or for not being close enough to a repolished standard features modern MMO, be that WoW or Wildstar or whatever is the latest has-been at that time.
Louis
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Gd kelethin music gives me the urge to go play every fuggin time I hear it.
Also, for my fellow neckbeards
http://youtu.be/jqhvTlR1WSc
Also, for my fellow neckbeards
http://youtu.be/jqhvTlR1WSc
Caeden
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Of course not. And I was being facetious before but I guess people took it literally.
Books = Single Player games, MMO = blank paper or at worst choose your own adventure. To me the immersability is totally different. I'm firmly in the "it's a game, not a world" crowd at this point in time.
Dude books are gay bro. Such bad animation ruins my emershin and it takes to long too get anywere. 2 much reading not enuf action! Aint nobody got time for that shit.
I'm always right. Although I always probably overdo it. But at least I'm not like the others who are always wrong and always half ass everything.
Probably. But I always said all along, I don't mind if it's not an EQ reloaded. As I said before, part of the reason EQ was so special was because it was totally new and fresh, I had played nothing even remotely close to it in the past. The nearest was probably Betrayal at Krondor or something. So in a way, a truly new EQ would have to be totally new. And I would dig that. But it can be totally new and yet not have all the lame modern dumb stuff current games have. Hopefully.
Most of the time the stuff I talk about is about a general philosophy rather than individual features. XP rate, death penalties, voice chat, instancing, combat type and speed, etc. I'm not really for or against things 100%, I'm willing to take them as they come and I enjoy different types on occasion. It's mostly the overall philosophy that matters, and as soon as you start cranking your game speed up to a level per 5 minutes and inundating the player with ever improving lewtz etc.. it's clear what their philosophy is. And usually there will be none of the other type of stuff to balance it out.
Caeden
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Reading this filled with a lot of the same shit that you've read in wow threads says yes
http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=4187
Caeden
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It wouldn't. And I never said ban typing, but if you think for one second it isn't going to be nerdraging about this game and that game followed by dick and ass jokes....