Heallun
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And for the first 4-5 expacs of EQ...Oh, we have one our paladin, one sk, one beastlord. Closing applications
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Google points it to just being a post on the Project 1999 forums. I don't think he's attributing it to something said by an employee, but the idea that the design philosophy probably won't happen again in an MMO.
Caeden
Golden Baronet of the Realm
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Obviously my concept is high level and would need systems development. I think a single super server with zero spill-over instances would be required. This might be a technical feat that limits fidelity and spell effects some.
Second, guild caps would have to exist in some fashion. It would be needed to promote the alliance politics. Think of tbc/vanilla raid guilds that crumbled and rebuilt and usually were greater than the sum of their parts. An interesting thought is to have some baseline design for the best mobs that require more than a guild cap to take down, but you don't tell the players. Limit the amount of loot to say 4 pieces among say 150 people with a 60 person guild cap tied to unique accounts that alts don't count against. Suddenly we're building a system that encourages guild cooperation and drama. Eventually someone would try a coup. All this can be self-regulated by the community. Only the botters and hackers are dealt with by devs.
Second, guild caps would have to exist in some fashion. It would be needed to promote the alliance politics. Think of tbc/vanilla raid guilds that crumbled and rebuilt and usually were greater than the sum of their parts. An interesting thought is to have some baseline design for the best mobs that require more than a guild cap to take down, but you don't tell the players. Limit the amount of loot to say 4 pieces among say 150 people with a 60 person guild cap tied to unique accounts that alts don't count against. Suddenly we're building a system that encourages guild cooperation and drama. Eventually someone would try a coup. All this can be self-regulated by the community. Only the botters and hackers are dealt with by devs.
Nirgon
Log Wizard
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Oh I don't think that most people should think of trade skilling when they think of EQ by any means. It's just really referring to that pace of game, where things are slower paced and emphasize team work or doing out of the way things than racing to max level and playing DDR with a raid addon.
I don't see a triple A title making something like that because the millions and millions of realized buyers in a WoW/have-it-now levelling system won't tolerate that. You do have to respect that much.
I may even be able to learn to live with a game where every class can solo to max level with little to no risk. But then again, probably not. Doing shit like this absolutely kills the group based, risk vs reward type of play EQ offered.
I don't see a triple A title making something like that because the millions and millions of realized buyers in a WoW/have-it-now levelling system won't tolerate that. You do have to respect that much.
I may even be able to learn to live with a game where every class can solo to max level with little to no risk. But then again, probably not. Doing shit like this absolutely kills the group based, risk vs reward type of play EQ offered.
If you can't do anything by yourself, what is a person supposed to do with the game when they log in at 3am, or don't know anyone playing the game, or no one they know is online? There's got to be some content that players find enjoyable that they can do at any given point. It doesn't have to be for the best gear ever but they have to be able to do something. It's not 1999 anymore, people aren't going to log in just to chat with people anymore in this day and age. If they can't have fun, they log out. If they log out they're not buying anything.
Rezz
Mr. Poopybutthole
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Soloing in UO apparently happened all the time, and half the classes in EQ could (and did)solo. Usually, people who play super required classes for grouping trumpet the no solo angle, just like people who had transport capabilities rail against faster methods of travel. And specifically in EQ, as technology progressed, more and more people boxed characters (especially those required grouping classes) thus further enforcing the solo tendencies of both MMO games.
Not that Draegan is always right, but this is clearly a silly stance to take, especially in light of history of the two biggest "GROUPING ONLY!" type games.
Not that Draegan is always right, but this is clearly a silly stance to take, especially in light of history of the two biggest "GROUPING ONLY!" type games.
The argument isn't if you can solo or not, but how well, to what level of efficiency can you? A warrior in EQ could solo, but it was painful - and it should be that slow and tedious. You should provide every class a level of soloability, but let that be dictated by situations, class skills, etc - i.e., soloing a tree snake vs a kodiak of equal level is harder due to poison or whatever. Make the details make a difference.
Rezz
Mr. Poopybutthole
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Literally not a single person has supported the angle that the best loot and most fun in a game should be from soloing. Not a single one. Having the ability -to- solo is far different from having the ability to solo -everything,- which nobody is asking for in the slightest.
Lleauaric
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I think the model SoE is advocating is F2P with free customers being "content" for paying subscribers. So you have to imagine there will a "building" of some sort. They seem to try to stay away from p2w, so I imagine player built towns as the sandbox. Subscribers being a "nobility" of sorts in the access to land and space to build. I picture a digital feudal system. But the serfs aren't working a field, they are playing the game and returning cash to subscribers in return for benefits or items. Maybe it's all the trade materials that are collected from combat encounters that are the currency.
Dunno.. Just trying to read the tea leaves
Dunno.. Just trying to read the tea leaves