why are steroids considered cheating in sports? it only makes you bigger, faster, stronger, and able to recover from injuries in less time. aren't you still playing the same game as your competitors? that's how stupid your argument is.
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His argument hold up because there is no winning in the leveling process. Pay to win originally meant being able to buy better pve gear than what someone else who worked for their gear has. It originally meant being able to buy power in pve. It has since evloved in to the knee jerk reaction that anything someone might want being for sale is pay to win.
This would only make sense if P2W players could get 5 levels higher or something. If all steroids meant is that you could work out 15 hours a week instead of 20, people wouldn't mind nearly as much.
Byr
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time is the most precious currency in any game. If I spend more time than you at it, I will likely be further along, better geared, etc ,etc. There isnt a bigger advantage over someone you can buy.
Convo
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I just get the vibe there is some serious underlining EQ hate. Rumors are just rumors at this point but after a lot of talk and thinking about what EQN will be it's more likely to disappoint the WoW player than the EQ player. I know some people disagree but the best long term option for this industry is to go niche. You basically already know how to go about that. It's just a matter of companies figuring out how to turn a decent profit.
as with mobile payment plans, more mmo should implement more payment options. i'd prefer a pay as you go.
the aforementioned 'free xx hour/days per month' is also a great idea to hook them back in.
the aforementioned 'free xx hour/days per month' is also a great idea to hook them back in.
Wow. Ok. Can you please explain how your analogy translates between MMORPG characters and athletes? Who are the other teams? What are you competing over? How does gaining levels faster hurt your gameplay.
What is the advantage?
I believe a better point is that the leveling process should be fun enough where you do want to rush through it as fast as possible. An ideal MMO should not need XP potions.
Depends on the game, but I see this only an issue in a game like EVE or some other skill advancement type of game where xp is used to level skills.
In any case, a new game will most likely not have xp potions at release unless the whole world is an instanced PVE arena like GW2.
That's up to personal taste though. So if someone does want to speed level, why do you care if they do? The only way I can see you care is that you aren't the first person to do these things. If you want to be first then I guess you can toss down some cash.
K. Let's look at it another way. How is an XP potion different than being able to buy pve gear while leveling? PVE will make your character strong enough to kill more shit per hour which increases XP gain per hour. Pretty much the same thing. There are multiple different ways to look at it. No matter what way you look at it. XP potions, gear, or whatever - it gives a player an advantage over another character, however big or small that advantage becomes is irrelevant. It alienates your audience.
PS. Not really sure why this is even being debated in this thread. lol.
PS. Not really sure why this is even being debated in this thread. lol.
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As an interesting side note, some sports are all about the equipment that you can buy. Remember the Jamaican bobsled team? They even made a comedy movie about it. In reality the DDR was running out of money and they managed to buy all the German equipment for little and that's how they were able to compete. Some sports do have a strong monetary component beyond just buying the best players (like winter sports, F1 etc).
Related to MMOs, consider the XP (or whatever cash item you buy) boost mandatory so that everyone that is doing progression must have it. If it's well designed it can be capped so you effectively create a level playing field, a equivalent to a subscription model for hardcore players and the relative competition between them is not affected as they have access to the same goods.
The difference is that in Asian MMOs and in the early social/Zynga games there was no cap, so it *was* P2W and it would allow you to skip endgame completely (and Diablo 3 too!) but it was because those games were not organized to really retain players once the endgame was reached.
tad10
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Given the fact that in both WoW and EQ there was a lot of hype about first to 50/60 I'd have to say you're factually wrong.
tad10
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In an MMORPG someone using XP pots to level can easily gain multipe additional advantages - I'll give you one example. Assume a robust crafting environment, the speed-leveler will be first to get uncontested rare resources. Replace crafting with adventuring, and rare resources with rare loot.
I think you are confusing single-player games that mask as multiplayer games with actual multiplayer games. As noted, XP pots are indefensible in a new MMO. They are only defensible in a long-running MMO where much of the population is at level cap.