In the panels they said players can choose sides. So instead of stopping the siege, a player could choose to help the siege. If you extrapolate, obviously the conclusion ( if there is one ) could one of two things. So, it isn't completely linear, although at this point I think everything we are discussing is just that, ideas, which may or may not come to fruition. I doubt SoE will be able to accomplish all these things they are talking about right now. Especially, when it comes to the emergent ai with storybricks stuff and all the destructibility of the environment. There are so many issues with both, I am not sure they are going to be able to do what they are saying they will do and have it all work out in the game.
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I got the impression the Rallying calls were generated via data reactions, are they canned instead?
I like how it's not even formatted or laid out. It's like they gave the secretary a word doc with the story and she just created a pdf out of it. "make it as unpleasant to read as possible". They should have done it in Comic Sans.
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Historically sieges was an army surrounding and cutting off supply lines to a castle/walled city and starving out the population. If your thinking of shit like LOTR siege of Gondor style "siege" then those are won or lost in an hour or so as well.
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Well, it depends how you can mix those skills, doesn't it? If I've unlocked the wizard class, can I pop into town anytime and slot in the teleport skill? Can I slot it in without even being in town? So I can slot it in, teleport, wait for a cooldown and pop in whatever skill I actually want to use?
If I can do that, then travel really isn't interdependent is it? You don't NEED a Wizard, you just need the Wizard skill.
And I can say this about a ton of skills....Oh, this area needs a ranger? Well, I don't NEED the tracking skill of someone who built his character around ranger skills....I just need to discover the ranger class, pop in the tracking skill, pop it out when done and I'm on my way!
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No. Its a role playing game. Play a bastard and you will unlock and tier up a shadow knight. There is no skill to buy.
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This is a good point. My real question is whether you can say, fight on the side of the Orcs that are attacking Halas? One of the best parts about EverQuest was how free-flowing the faction was. You could become loved or hated by anyone.
There really is some interesting competition they could create, even through purely PvE - by pitting factions against each other. The High Elves could attack Neriak - and the 'evil' races could come to their rescue, just like the 'good' races could help the High Elves. Whichever side 'wins' determines where the story goes. This is really how they could spur on emergent gameplay, in my opinion.
And that doesn't mean that the High Elves cant ever attack Neriak again either, there should just be a long chain of events that require it to happen again.
If there's only one way to progress, then I think it sort of takes the meaning out of these big server-wide events.
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Even Assaults were not won that fast. In some cases siege equipment had to be built or repaired on-site, and ammunition might be foraged from the countryside. Even if you had working siege weapons and plenty of ammo, you sat there and let it work. Or you might use sappers to undermine the wall without a bunch of hammerblows. Just showing up, camping overnight, and zerging the wall with ladders/battering in the door with a ram was rare. Furthermore the siege might be relieved by allies before the town runs out of food or before the assault can succeed.
What I want to know is what each "chapter" of a rally call entails. Serverwide effort to collect orc asses? Turn in stacks of wool cloth? I'm imagining the opening of silithus in WoW and that wasn't too exciting.
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Have they gone into how you slot in skills? What process does it involve? Is it quick like essentially dragging them from your spell book? If so, does that mean characters won't really have permanence and instead just be adaptable to whatever situation? (We need a healer, one sec bros, slotting in my heals.)
Or did they hint at all that either your gear, or something, will give a barrier to simply changing the entire premise of your character to suit momentary needs?
Edit: Just saw this.]
Cool, let us know...because honestly, everything sounds cool so far, but if characters have NO "stickiness" to what they are, and can just mold quickly into anything...meh, that's really disappointing. (I'm all for pokemon, "find every class" gameplay....but as long as the Wizard can't instantly become the Cleric.)
Well in GW2 there was no consequence. It wasn't actually possible for the enemy NPCs to win, at best they took over the village and you spend 30 seconds taking it back. It was the same shit with rift. If this game lets you pick sides dynamics, lets that goblin army take the town and start expanding dynamically it will be cool and not lame like GW2.
Thats the big question tho, how much of this is just letting the AI do whatever the fuck it wants and how much is scripted. GW2 was all scripted, scripts with multiple paths maybe but still scripts.
It sounded like rallying crys were scripted with set outcomes but the other AI based stuff sounded like maybe they are just gonna let it play out.
I imagine it being like orcs vs farmers, farmers and orcs spawn the same way, and want the same land and who wins is dynamic.
If they actually make rallying cries dynamic that would be amazing, having halas on one server and not on another would be cool. But I could see that making it hard for them to keep a coherent story and update cycle between servers if such major events were dynamic.
Thats the big question tho, how much of this is just letting the AI do whatever the fuck it wants and how much is scripted. GW2 was all scripted, scripts with multiple paths maybe but still scripts.
It sounded like rallying crys were scripted with set outcomes but the other AI based stuff sounded like maybe they are just gonna let it play out.
I imagine it being like orcs vs farmers, farmers and orcs spawn the same way, and want the same land and who wins is dynamic.
If they actually make rallying cries dynamic that would be amazing, having halas on one server and not on another would be cool. But I could see that making it hard for them to keep a coherent story and update cycle between servers if such major events were dynamic.
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seeded via storybricks. So will develop out of wants. But evil temple example was semi canned. They drop in temple and then seed
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It is, but based on some of their interviews about Rally Calls, it didn't seem immediately clear if you could fight on the side to prevent Halas from being founded. They made it sound like Rallying Calls could be a story with only one way to progress: it's eventual founding.
I will extend the countdown timer on my nuke. A bit...
Ehhh, guy said smedley lied about us having "something" this year. I said we will have something - the landmark thing. You say but thats a beta in september. I now say... it might be 'final' before december 31'st. YOUR COMPREHENSION SUCKS. You can also suck my BALLS.
I gotta be the what on the what what?
I just want to blow holes beneath people on a pvp server and have them fall down a pit i dug beneath them. That's if they have pvp servers.