EQ TLP 2025 Fangbreaker Expanded Start Resource Hunter Legacy Characters Encounter Locking

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Tuco said:
Kind of interesting, since that probably means a vote for any truebox option is a vote for standard rules. Some players voting for relaxed would prefer no truebox over standard truebox, so that vote itself is underrepresenting the no truebox vote.

No truebox can definitely lose this, since I'd expect the boxers with many accounts are more likely to vote early, but who knows.
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There are a lot of truebox people who wont play on non truebox and a lot of people who wont play on truebox. I just think that relaxed 3 clients to start is the best compromise that will attract the most players.
 
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Elderan said:
There are a lot of truebox people who wont play on non truebox and a lot of people who wont play on truebox. I just think that relaxed 3 clients to start is the best compromise that will attract the most players.
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Agreed. I also think 6 clients is better than unrestricted, even if 3 is a better compromise.

Enforcement is also a problem, of course.
 
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Tuco said:
Agreed. I also think 6 clients is better than unrestricted, even if 3 is a better compromise.

Enforcement is also a problem, of course.
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Key is macroquest will be blocked on any server with turbox enabled, even relaxed truebox. While any server without truebox macroquest is not blocked and free to use.
 
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Key is macroquest will be blocked on any server with turbox enabled, even relaxed truebox. While any server without truebox macroquest is not blocked and free to use.
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I've never used Macroquest before. Is it truly blocked on Truebox-enabled servers, or just "blocked" in that you have to try a bit harder to use it?
 
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Tuco said:
I've never used Macroquest before. Is it truly blocked on Truebox-enabled servers, or just "blocked" in that you have to try a bit harder to use it?
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There are ways around it but it still keeps a good chunk of people from using it. There is a campaign right now from live server mq2 users trying to push for the no truebox option so they can freely play and use it on the new server.
 
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Give me a Kunark start server where you have to roll Iksar and the server doesn't advance until at least ten people per class are in full Iksar class quest armor and maxed out Iksar class weapon.
 
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Kuro said:
Give me a Kunark start server where you have to roll Iksar and the server doesn't advance until at least ten people per class are in full Iksar class quest armor and maxed out Iksar class weapon.
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The Luggage & Loafers server? Population 6?
 
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Was it Sleeper/Combine that tracked progress? People liked that. Add a scavenger hunt mechanic where by points are awarded to each guild based on a variety of tasks. First rare hunter achievement for each zone, first raid kills, first epics, first quest armor set completions, all kinds of shit weighted based on difficulty. You've already got an achievement system baked in to the game. At the end of each expansion the guilds with the most points get little prizes with an occasional unique cosmetic like a title for doing the most Velious shit.

Basically do a better job with ideas you already tried.
 
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Tuco said:
Kind of interesting, since that probably means a vote for any truebox option is a vote for standard rules. Some players voting for relaxed would prefer no truebox over standard truebox, so that vote itself is underrepresenting the no truebox vote.
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I think if people knew what no truebox would actually entail 90% of them would vote for relaxed truebox. The amount of warp/botting that would happen on a non-truebox TLP would basically remove open world from existence. I know this forum has some Rizlona Glazers but the last time they did no true box it basically turned into botters warp killing raid bosses and then mass reporting each other.

Example about not understanding what removing truebox means.
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I've never used Macroquest before. Is it truly blocked on Truebox-enabled servers, or just "blocked" in that you have to try a bit harder to use it?
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If it's going to kill the open world make sure to vote in some Legacy characters so you can do multiple instance nights.

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The secret to rizlonas success was as much the existence of aradune as it was the lack of truebox. Rizlona would have probably gone terribly if it was the only server and a ton of people went there who werent really interested in the concept. I think a riz 2.0 will only work if theres a separate server for the masses. And in return, that server and its pop can enjoy the people who wanna do like 6box tuco shit that they seem to hate for some reason NOT going to there. Everyone can be happy.
 
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Mrniceguy said:
I think if people knew what no truebox would actually entail 90% of them would vote for relaxed truebox. The amount of warp/botting that would happen on a non-truebox TLP would basically remove open world from existence. I know this forum has some Rizlona Glazers but the last time they did no true box it basically turned into botters warp killing raid bosses and then mass reporting each other.

Example about not understanding what removing truebox means.
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I think if they had a history if genuinely enforcing true box and banning people who circumvent it then there would be a lot more folks in favor of true box. Every time you see someone roll by with 50 characters while you're in a hot ass room with 3 laptops running you probably come closer to clicking "no truebox" on the poll.

I agree that we'll be back to like Ragefire/Fippy levels of MQ use though.
 
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Zaide said:
I think if they had a history if genuinely enforcing true box and banning people who circumvent it then there would be a lot more folks in favor of true box. Every time you see someone roll by with 50 characters while you're in a hot ass room with 3 laptops running you probably come closer to clicking "no truebox" on the poll.

I agree that we'll be back to like Ragefire/Fippy levels of MQ use though.
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To me its like would you rather a few people go 110 mph on the highway breaking the speed limit who might get caught or would your rather have 90% of people going 110mph with no speed limit.
 
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Zaide said:
I agree that we'll be back to like Ragefire/Fippy levels of MQ use though.
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That's the point about truebox, MQ not the amount of boxes. You won't have RF levels of MQ, there has been 10 years of updates to MQ and 10 years of PC advancement, 10 years ago you needed a high end machine to run 40 accounts of EQ. Now a toaster can do it.10 Years ago running 40 accounts took some setup, even with MQ. Nowdays MQ will play the game from level 1 with a couple of downloads and pressing play.

There is a whole bunch of people that bot on Live with lifetime accounts that don't on TLPs because they can't run the download and play version of MQ on Truebox. If the server isn't a ghost town on launch like Rizlona/Tormax, you're going have 10x the amount of bots RF did with much more advance cheating programs.
 
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Mrniceguy said:
That's the point about truebox, MQ not the amount of boxes. You won't have RF levels of MQ, there has been 10 years of updates to MQ and 10 years of PC advancement, 10 years ago you needed a high end machine to run 40 accounts of EQ. Now a toaster can do it.10 Years ago running 40 accounts took some setup, even with MQ. Nowdays MQ will play the game from level 1 with a couple of downloads and pressing play.

There is a whole bunch of people that bot on Live with lifetime accounts that don't on TLPs because they can't run the download and play version of MQ on Truebox. If the server isn't a ghost town on launch like Rizlona/Tormax, you're going have 10x the amount of bots RF did with much more advance cheating programs.
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Yeah you're probably right about all of that.
 
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its too bad they don’t just do what they initially mistakenly said would be the ruleset on fangbreaker. Allow 2 clients on a machine and 2 max per human. But if they arent going to, or are incapable of enforcing it. Open the flood gates.
 
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You must not read the EQ forums. FB is a great server and wildly successful, according to the posters there.
If you say anything negative about the server (i.e., the fact that DBG themselves called the server a failure in their THJ lawsuit), the white knighters will rush in to call you a liar or troll.
Why would DBG change their strategy when their players so obviously love ridiculously long unlocks. It says so right there in the forums.
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The white knighting on the official EQ forums is both idiotic and exhausting, and hurts any legitimate attempts at trying to improve the game.

For example, I posted some ways to make the Innate Eminence AA actually do something useful for the cost without it impacting the early expansions too much. Which would give people something else to work on in early eras, rather than IE just being 35 points that people ignore until they get it autogranted in OoW or whatever. Well, nevermind all of that, because a bunch of white knights swooped in to make excuses for how Innate Eminence is fine and EQ is fine and EVERYTHING IS FINE.

This happens pretty much any time anyone makes any serious suggestions on how to improve something. The place is an exhausting circle-jerk of ass-kissing.
 
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Okay, maybe that's true for the live game when you haven't played for 15 expansionss, but hardly true from GoD to TSS. I just wonder what other games you play if you think GoD era EQ is too complex.
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No I am referring to the modern EQ. I have no idea at what expansion that becomes a thing.
 
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Arbitrary said:
Was it Sleeper/Combine that tracked progress? People liked that. Add a scavenger hunt mechanic where by points are awarded to each guild based on a variety of tasks. First rare hunter achievement for each zone, first raid kills, first epics, first quest armor set completions, all kinds of shit weighted based on difficulty. You've already got an achievement system baked in to the game. At the end of each expansion the guilds with the most points get little prizes with an occasional unique cosmetic like a title for doing the most Velious shit.

Basically do a better job with ideas you already tried.
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This post over here is quietly the most productive "new ideas" post I've seen anywhere lately.

A scavenger hunt type achievement-based server would breathe new life into even a classic start TLP. Give it sensible unlock timers and free trade and we'd have something legitimately worth playing.

Tons of people like chasing the hunter achievements, firsts, and so forth. This would give it an actual reason beyond just people's natural need to collect things for their OCD. It'd make for some interesting guild competitions beyond the usual "rushing to gank spawns".
 
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