And what does any of that have to do with software development? I wonder, did they teach you about supply and demand in business school? Because here is a tip, the demand for semi decent developers, or better, is through the roof and way outpaces the supply. Anyone with a few years of experience and decent shower habits can obtain a job programming with or without a degree. A degree only helps one get his foot in the door, nothing else.And I was an Executive at a Fortune 10 company by the time I was 30. Most successful people know what they are worth and how to get it. If I was in his shoes, I'd either get competitive offers or be patient. I remember when I was first put at that level, I was underpaid also, compared to my peers. I had to wait five years to get equal pay. It took pay raises of 10% a year for those ten years to get there. I was unable to generate competitive offers, as I didn't have enough time at that level. No one wants to take a chance on a guy that just got there (at least in the industry I was in). I stopped whining when I couldn't get the competition to pay me more, and had to just sit still and wait my turn. Finally I figured out that you only get what you are worth by owning your own thing, as someone else said in the thread earlier.
P.S.: When I'm full staffed, pruning trees nets me in one day what I made in a week at a corporation, I like it just fine.
Nope. You are stupid.Don't mind wormie she's just some cunty paper pusher in the mortgage industry.
Did you miss the part I said about getting competitive offers, or are you a moron?And what does any of that have to do with software development? I wonder, did they teach you about supply and demand in business school? Because here is a tip, the demand for semi decent developers, or better, is through the roof and way outpaces the supply. Anyone with a few years of experience and decent shower habits can obtain a job programming with or without a degree. A degree only helps one get his foot in the door, nothing else.
Did you miss the part where whatever you did at a corp has nothing to do with the field that jake is in so comparing the ability to get job offers between the two is relegated to the realm of the retarded?Did you miss the part I said about getting competitive offers, or are you a moron?
Definitely correct on the cunty part.Don't mind wormie she's just some cunty paper pusher in the mortgage industry.
That part is correct. I called him stupid because i am not that other shit that he said. Anyway, experience trumps degrees with programmers. If Jake wants more money, he needs to brush up on his interviewing skills (lots and lots of data structures) and then switch jobs a few times. Degree not required.Definitely correct on the cunty part.
You are repeating what I said, thank you for that.That part is correct. I called him stupid because i am not that other shit that he said. Anyway, experience trumps degrees with programmers. If Jake wants more money, he needs to brush up on his interviewing skills (lots and lots of data structures) and then switch jobs a few times. Degree not required.
What you said is how awesome you are for getting a business degree and how important that degree is for getting a good job. So yeah I am totally repeating what you said.You are repeating what I said, thank you for that.
No, he actually said that is one way to get more payWhat you said is how awesome you are for getting a business degree and how important that degree is for getting a good job. So yeah I am totally repeating what you said.
Looks like he did. I only read the first paragraph. Whoops.No, he actually said that is one way to get more pay
Yup, you were right.You are repeating what I said, thank you for that.
Kinda like a good ole boy network isnt it?Let me get this straight: you have two individuals applying for thesameposition. One has a degree, the other does not. However, both individuals, given their work experience, are equally qualified for the job. However, because the degree holder "took time out of the workfoce and spent money" automatically entitles him to greater pay? I call bullshit on that. Granted, maybe thatisreality, but that's bullshit. As a employer I don't give a shit if you spent a crap ton of money on a education at some highfalutin university. All I care about is if you cando the damn job. If the two people are equally capable then the pay should be exactly the same.
Let's take away the software development aspect.Let me get this straight: you have two individuals applying for thesameposition. One has a degree, the other does not. However, both individuals, given their work experience, are equally qualified for the job. However, because the degree holder "took time out of the workfoce and spent money" automatically entitles him to greater pay? I call bullshit on that. Granted, maybe thatisreality, but that's bullshit. As a employer I don't give a shit if you spent a crap ton of money on a education at some highfalutin university. All I care about is if you cando the damn job. If the two people are equally capable then the pay should be exactly the same.
I cared, but realized it's not going to happen overnight. I remember when I got to a certain pay grade, I was excited, until I saw where the grade maxed out at. It was all about seniority, and not about performance. You had guys who were at that level a longer time, but with smaller areas of responsibility making a lot more than I was. A guy who was 50 made much more than me at 30, even though we were the same level, and I had more responsibility. That was just reality.I guess I'm in the really super minority. I never cared what someone else at work was making. I figured I agreed to what I wanted to make for X job when I went to work there regardless of what someone else was making. Never understood it.
I know about software development and I agree with him. What's annoying is that before your rant you agreed with what he said. Switch jobs.Keep in mind lyrical prunes trees and knows zero about software development