Everquest - Coirnav Progression Server

Wynn

Golden Squire
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I think VT is a little worse than Time was but I feel like Luclin is a better TLP expansion outside of raids. PoP is a much shallower expansion than people remember.
Having done all of Agnarr in retrospect I think Luclin was probably my favorite expansion of the "clasic era" of EQ. I had a lot of nostalgia for Velious, but actually raiding it for 3 months I came to not really like it, lot of very long and annoying raids, frequently combined with abject boredom.

That being said, PoP actually has a massive amount of content but most of it gets trivialized due to the nature of AoC TLPs. In era people loved all the T1-3 content because only a 1-2 guilds ever did VT in era on each server, so unless you were in that guild you likely were not in full VT gear. Further, with longer respawn times on raid mobs and lack of AoC, even the top guilds went into PoP with a lot less gear than modern AoC TLP guilds.

When any scrub guild can get into elemental planes pretty quickly, and has access to doing the easy EP bosses like Fennin/Coirnav each week in an AoC, not to mention the mini bosses and all their loot, it makes PoP look a lot thinner than it did when people were living in the lower tier planes and damn happy to get Ornate armor and shit like that.
 
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Mwapo

Golden Knight of the Realm
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I think VT is a little worse than Time was but I feel like Luclin is a better TLP expansion outside of raids. PoP is a much shallower expansion than people remember.
Yeah I think people go into PoP thinking they can go kill stuff in the lower tiers to gear out alts or as meth or whatever and then find out that time gear is so much better and there is just so much of it that it's pointless to go kill Grummus during your time off because the time sink isn't worth it for garbage gear.

PoP is also where the difference between being raid geared and group geared really takes off. It's bad in Luclin, but it's enormous in PoP and only gets worse for a while. So the lower attendance members that were doing well filling slots with a mixture of group gear and raid gear are no longer viable because the group gear is just so bad.
 

Korrupt

Blackwing Lair Raider
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Yeah I think people go into PoP thinking they can go kill stuff in the lower tiers to gear out alts or as meth or whatever and then find out that time gear is so much better and there is just so much of it that it's pointless to go kill Grummus during your time off because the time sink isn't worth it for garbage gear.

PoP is also where the difference between being raid geared and group geared really takes off. It's bad in Luclin, but it's enormous in PoP and only gets worse for a while. So the lower attendance members that were doing well filling slots with a mixture of group gear and raid gear are no longer viable because the group gear is just so bad.
Plus no one is doing 5 splits of Quarm or end game bosses at all on Coirnav I dont think. The dynamic on this server is so so different no one splits any end game bosses or has to flex like we did on Phinny which is nice for having a life and free time but bad for loot.
 
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Sterling

El Presidente
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Doing 4 Quarms every 6 days meant everyone had all their quarm gear, even some alts had some quarm gear. Doing time splits then 2 extra quarms with alts and stuff did Time night take an extra hour or 90 minutes or whatever though.
 

Korrupt

Blackwing Lair Raider
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Doing 4 Quarms every 6 days meant everyone had all their quarm gear, even some alts had some quarm gear. Doing time splits then 2 extra quarms with alts and stuff did Time night take an extra hour or 90 minutes or whatever though.
Yeah that was a phinny only thing, we didnt even split Vulak around here nor are we doing Atens yet. Big difference though is there is no competition here so that kind of killing isn't needed.
 

Flobee

Lord Nagafen Raider
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Where are people grouping at 40? I'm a bit too low for velks and not sure where the spot is for 40-45. I can just duo it with box, but its pretty slow
 

lost

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people dont split raid instance cause of that one fishlips thread on the forum where he cries its not fair cause the cliques go to the better split raid and leave the other split raid(s) with subpar people, so its just NOT FAIR AND THEREFORE WE SHOULDNT SPLIT RAIDS AND ALL GET LESS LOOT! lol.

people probably levleing in luclin zones..
 

Sterling

El Presidente
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People are dumb, if the splits are doing shit at the same pace who gives a fuck. Is not being in the same voice chat channel as your boy for a couple of hours going to ruin your life?
 

Cupcaek

Bronze Knight of the Realm
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final crusade split raids everything pretty much except AHR so far. Split vulaks in vel as well, cause more loot
 

Arbitrary

Avatar of War Slayer
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People are dumb, if the splits are doing shit at the same pace who gives a fuck.
I've been on some splits that struggled and I've been on some splits that were the A Team and rarely could I have told you ahead of time which ones were going to be which. Usually everything just went fine for everyone. If I was in a guild that was routinely making failure teams with the same people I think I'd just leave. That guild clearly isn't the top dog and isn't ever going to be.
 
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Cupie12

Send Tits Pls
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whatever split im in is the best split. its been proven. still waiting for my dkp bonus from aos :/
 

yerm

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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People don't give a shit about total loot, they care about relative e-dick size. I bet over half of tlp raiders would say no to being offered a free aten neck if everyone else got one AND a seru ear that they don't. Most eq plebs are basically socialists.

I remember in aos being asked to wait for a few minutes while the splits started on trash so they could figure out which one was more likely to need some help. Then the one I did NOT get put in ended up being the one deathballing cazic. Shit fucking happens.
 

Korrupt

Blackwing Lair Raider
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People don't give a shit about total loot, they care about relative e-dick size. I bet over half of tlp raiders would say no to being offered a free aten neck if everyone else got one AND a seru ear that they don't. Most eq plebs are basically socialists.

I remember in aos being asked to wait for a few minutes while the splits started on trash so they could figure out which one was more likely to need some help. Then the one I did NOT get put in ended up being the one deathballing cazic. Shit fucking happens.
We had a split wipe in Classic which happened to have Grisvok in it and after that I think we did a pretty good job of splitting raids.

I personally log in mostly to play with friends and raid so being in a split to have fun with my friends is important to me. Spending 2 hours with strangers and Bobby Joe or whatever hick rambling in TS makes me want to KMS. Nothing is worse than hicks in Teamspeak and constant babbling.
 
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yerm

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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We had a split wipe in Classic which happened to have Grisvok in it and after that I think we did a pretty good job of splitting raids.

I personally log in mostly to play with friends and raid so being in a split to have fun with my friends is important to me. Spending 2 hours with strangers and Bobby Joe or whatever hick rambling in TS makes me want to KMS. Nothing is worse than hicks in Teamspeak and constant babbling.
Bro, cabdru in vent gave me reason to live, you take that back.
 
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Flobee

Lord Nagafen Raider
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Chuckleheads on voice comm. Are my leading reason for avoiding raiding.