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The Scientific Shitlord
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This is exactly what I am going to be gunning for. I am Pavlov's goddamn dog when it comes to that Ding sound.
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Everquest Legends
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You all are going to buy your bags and stuff from the cash shop like good little goys right?
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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Just like I did for TLPs and THJ, of course. Bag space is one of the end game struggles.
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Old Man Potter
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The current EQ dev team are lazy inept cowards. They should have been fired years ago. The DMV is hiring because that's where they belong. As you mentioned the problem is the stodgy forum regulars who are against any form of revamp. The devs continually pander to the forum sycophants and white knights (you know who you are). The official TLP forums are an ossified echo-chamber. I blame Jen Chan and Sue Guadino AKA Angelinia for allowing this to fester.
Blackburrow is one of the best dungeons ever designed, but it has the worst itemization I've ever seen. The fact that Game Jawn has revamped this is HUGE. Qeynos Hills and West Karana need massive revamps as well.
Btw, outstanding post. This is peak FOH forums caliber analysis. Please post more.
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Rali
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What, you mean like every one of the TLP players doesn't do exactly this?
The bitching about other people enjoying something that you don't personally like is fucking tiresome.
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Ridas
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Mrniceguy
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Trash take.
The whole reason store bags exists is because retarded cucks buy them. If they stopped, you'd get them as drops in games. Your willingness and desire to get scammed is preventing the game i want to play from being made.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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Incorrect. They wouldn't exist if people didn't buy them. It fills a market for a QOL item that isn't needed, but is highly convenient.
Companies sell things. If you don't want what they are selling, then don't buy. That's how markets work.
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Burns
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I have hated the move to DLC over XPACs for as long as DLC have existed, but cosmetics in an MMO cash shop have kinda become a whatever. On the other hand, having a cash shop with convenience items on a game that is demanding a box price and a sub price is super scummy. People that pay for it are in the same simpy ballpark as Bubbles giving money to Alinity.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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That ship sailed decades ago. At this point the only question is whether it is worth it to you or not. I don't mind paying for them within reason. I get a whole boatload of use out of them.
Mrniceguy
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The biggest bags in EQ originally were drops/Plat sinks
The biggest bags on THJ were drop only
EQ Legends could put and would put large QOL bags as drops/quests ect if retards like you didn't buy them.
Burns
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I have never played and can't recall even seeing a game with a box price and a sub having convenience items in the cash shop. They are either F2Play with a bunch of convenience items in the cash shop, like PoE, or box price plus a sub, with cosmetic cash shop, like WoW.
I assume it's some scummy Asian bullshit games that do it and that's where that shit should stay.
Burren
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He’s proven he is incapable of an adult conversation or dynamic thought. Don’t bother replying to him.
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BigDirty
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did they say how much these bags are gona cost? or are you all just dooming about the possibility of mtx bags?
Mrniceguy
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It's not relevant how much they cost, but yes they said there will be a cash shop and bags/XP pots would be some of the items in it.
Edit. They could cost a Nickle and i'd still not like it. The game i want to play has the best bags as drops not CC swipes.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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WOW and EQ both sell convenience items in the cash shop. EQ in particular started selling megahuge bags in the shop decades ago. They started with 20 slot bags, and are up to 40+ slot bags. They also have monthly sub addons for additional bag slots in you main inventory.
Cinge
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Inventory management is a huge pet peeve of mine. So I do everything I can to not have to deal with it. In games I can mod, the first thing I do is mod inventory space and weight. In games where I need to buy bags, weight or such, I do that too. I just cant stand dealing with it, so its the one place I have no issue putting my money, just to increase my enjoyment.
There's a reason when I play a TLP I am sitting on a inventory full of 40-42 slot 100% WR bags. Also thankfully I couldn't give two shits what some random idiot on a forum thinks of me for said actions.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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He is a bit retarded about the law and economics, but I don't mind him too much. I just picard him when he picards me and call it a day. Everyone is free to their own opinion, even when they are wrong.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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Yup. I am OK with it. Not a huge fan of it when it costs money, but it's a pretty big QOL upgrade, so it's worth it to me.
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With dragon hoard and insta-sell, what would bags even get you?
Also people tend to talk past each other in these conversations. There is the ideological argument that P2W and pay for convenience are bad, then there is the practical argument on whether you should support games that do it.
I think most gamers of our age agree that MTX and P2W shit is predatory and anti-art. It is a sign of gross greed by the developers and leads to maladaptive development practices where it is financially incentivized to make the game 'worse' in order to make the convenience more valuable. There is also the whole psychology of whales, RMT, etc. Interesting discussions.
There is also the reality that EQ is already a RMT/P2W sewer and if you are going to play EQ, you're going to have to engage with xp pots, bags, RMT, etc.
You can think the first but also accept the second.
Also people tend to talk past each other in these conversations. There is the ideological argument that P2W and pay for convenience are bad, then there is the practical argument on whether you should support games that do it.
I think most gamers of our age agree that MTX and P2W shit is predatory and anti-art. It is a sign of gross greed by the developers and leads to maladaptive development practices where it is financially incentivized to make the game 'worse' in order to make the convenience more valuable. There is also the whole psychology of whales, RMT, etc. Interesting discussions.
There is also the reality that EQ is already a RMT/P2W sewer and if you are going to play EQ, you're going to have to engage with xp pots, bags, RMT, etc.
You can think the first but also accept the second.
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