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Kithani · Tuesday at 8:09 AM

Grabbit Allworth said:
I've already said it twice, but I don't remember the exact time frame (though I really want to say it was between late '02 and mid '03). However, what I do remember is:

1. During the period in which I was farming the Fungi Tunics, they were still extremely valuable or I wouldn't have been wasting so much time doing it.
2. The camp was extremely difficult. Every time I managed to kill the King I was always near death, too. I distinctly remember a few times where the fight came down to the last swing or three.

The hardest part really wasn't the King, it was breaking the spawn up and needing to stagger the death of the surrounding shrooms so they didn't respawn and kill me or heal the King. A respawned shroom while I was engaged with the King was an immediate Escape or death if it was on cooldown.

I was very well-geared rogue (I always was until I quit) and I maxed every worthwhile AA. Still, things had to go absolutely perfectly or I'd have to use Escape and try again. I still died more than a few times despite using every-single-tool I could get my hands.

1. Locustlure. 35% slow was huge and the camp wouldn't have been possible without it. I had a Willsapper too, but the slow on that weapon seemed to get resisted more. I can't remember if the Spinebreak slow poison existed at that time, but if it did, I would have used it if it were better than the weapon procs.
2. Stanos' gloves (30% click haste) on top of my 40-something worn haste item.
3. Poisons.
4. Kilva's damage shield potions as well as several other sources that stacked.
5. The HP/AC/MR Resist buff from Stanos' BP.
6. Primal Weapon for Avatar buff then I would swap to my better weapons. I'm 99.9% sure I was stat capped, but the 100 atk from Avatar was delicious.
7. As much in-combat regen as I could muster. Pre-nerf Fungi Staff, Dain Ring (10 Regen/10 Damage shield) for one. I don't remember how high I got it, but it was enough to provide a few hundred hp over the duration of the King fight. Significant for the time.
8. I know I had a few clickies that gave me more weapon procs. Symbol of the Planesmasters and Timestone Adorned Ring were two of them but I don't remember what else I had.
9. Mrylokar's gaunts to pull with dispel on mobs that were damage shielded (or whatever other dangerous buff).
10. Mrylokar's beastplate for the click heal I'd use to reduce downtime. It had a much better hp-per-second click than the 'upgraded' bp that came after it.
11. Nightfall (dagger) for snare. (no longer drops in the version I have).
12. The usual stuff like Jboots, Shrunken gob earring, all 5 flowers of functionality, Lodi boots, Blood Orchid Katana, Shield of the Immaculate, Pegasus Cloak, Tiny Cloak of Darkest Night, etc., etc.

I had a bunch of other tools and consumables that I simply can't remember. Despite all that, it was still incredibly difficult.

Something else I don't think you, and the couple of the other skeptics, have taken in to consideration is, at that time, I was on Stormhammer (in Township Rebellion). That server had a completely different economy than regular servers. The population was much, much smaller and very top-heavy. Everything was considerably more expensive. Also, the typical plat farmers didn't really exist for a couple reasons. The server had a low max capacity and the GM presence was constant so the farmers got banned relatively quickly.

I also think the server's demographic was more willing to spend money to get what they wanted, when they wanted it.

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Pharone · Tuesday at 11:13 AM

yerm said:
Not necessarily. Fte and no truebox is a rough mixing. Hyper xp and 36 weeks until pop is even rougher.

That 36 week thing is insane honestly. They need to let people get past fucking PoP sooner already. Let people get the nostalgia hit for a short while, and then let them get on through the expansions in a rate where the playerbase isn't burned out and moved on before we get to the later expansions.

The whole design of these TLPs to make them die after PoP in order to feed the next TLP is one of their worst decisions (that they keep making over and over).

Maybe.. just maybe if they allowed a popular TLP to get caught up to Live in a reasonable amount of time with a solid population, they could create a whole new group of LIVE gamers that actually purchase the new expansions every year rather than just repeating the TLP cycle. You would think that selling expansions would be a number one goal of a MMORPG developer. I guess bag sells on TLP servers makes more money.

italica · Tuesday at 11:25 AM

Pharone said:
That 36 week thing is insane honestly. They need to let people get past fucking PoP sooner already. Let people get the nostalgia hit for a short while, and then let them get on through the expansions in a rate where the playerbase isn't burned out and moved on before we get to the later expansions.

The whole design of these TLPs to make them die after PoP in order to feed the next TLP is one of their worst decisions (that they keep making over and over).

Maybe.. just maybe if they allowed a popular TLP to get caught up to Live in a reasonable amount of time with a solid population, they could create a whole new group of LIVE gamers that actually purchase the new expansions every year rather than just repeating the TLP cycle. You would think that selling expansions would be a number one goal of a MMORPG developer. I guess bag sells on TLP servers makes more money.

Didn't one of their earnings calls in the last few years show that Live vs TLP income was more or less a 50/50 split? Why risk 50% of your incoming cashflow on speeding up the release cycle to the point you risk losing what is more or less free money for them at this point?

Daidraco · Tuesday at 11:27 AM

So you were a rogue in at least Planes of Power with (imo) underwhelming gear, struggling on kunark Myconids. I mean, at least we know how you did it as a solo Rogue now.

Think the confusion for most of us was that when we think of the Fungi Tunic at its most valuable- which $400 USD is pretty valuable in 2000 in my mind - he had to be soloing King in Kunark era. Which would be mathematically impossible with the gear available in Kunark and no AA’s.

Classic Hp Regen was capped at 30? Or 35? And it was still a solid item in POP for shamans etc. iirc. But whoever was buying them for $400 during POP is an absolute moron and that is now - the point of contention in your claim.

Or to take it one step further, a class, like a Shaman, could be power leveled by an AOE group In any number of locations during POP. The amount they would pay to be power leveled to a point that they could solo fungi camp by themselves, at the time, would cost substantially less than $400.

Server rarity is a thing, sure. But in POP era - there were multiple websites out for auctions. To think there wouldnt be at least a handful of guys out there that would instantly invade that server and farm tf out of old world content that sells for $400 is an outlandish dream at best.

If you did what you say you did, then congrats. But Im sensing some real rose colored glasses here.

Kebabman · Tuesday at 12:19 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
I've already said it twice, but I don't remember the exact time frame (though I really want to say it was between late '02 and mid '03). However, what I do remember is:

1. During the period in which I was farming the Fungi Tunics, they were still extremely valuable or I wouldn't have been wasting so much time doing it.
2. The camp was extremely difficult. Every time I managed to kill the King I was always near death, too. I distinctly remember a few times where the fight came down to the last swing or three.

The hardest part really wasn't the King, it was breaking the spawn up and needing to stagger the death of the surrounding shrooms so they didn't respawn and kill me or heal the King. A respawned shroom while I was engaged with the King was an immediate Escape or death if it was on cooldown.

I was very well-geared rogue (I always was until I quit) and I maxed every worthwhile AA. Still, things had to go absolutely perfectly or I'd have to use Escape and try again. I still died more than a few times despite using every-single-tool I could get my hands.

1. Locustlure. 35% slow was huge and the camp wouldn't have been possible without it. I had a Willsapper too, but the slow on that weapon seemed to get resisted more. I can't remember if the Spinebreak slow poison existed at that time, but if it did, I would have used it if it were better than the weapon procs.
2. Stanos' gloves (30% click haste) on top of my 40-something worn haste item.
3. Poisons.
4. Kilva's damage shield potions as well as several other sources that stacked.
5. The HP/AC/MR Resist buff from Stanos' BP.
6. Primal Weapon for Avatar buff then I would swap to my better weapons. I'm 99.9% sure I was stat capped, but the 100 atk from Avatar was delicious.
7. As much in-combat regen as I could muster. Pre-nerf Fungi Staff, Dain Ring (10 Regen/10 Damage shield) for one. I don't remember how high I got it, but it was enough to provide a few hundred hp over the duration of the King fight. Significant for the time.
8. I know I had a few clickies that gave me more weapon procs. Symbol of the Planesmasters and Timestone Adorned Ring were two of them but I don't remember what else I had.
9. Mrylokar's gaunts to pull with dispel on mobs that were damage shielded (or whatever other dangerous buff).
10. Mrylokar's beastplate for the click heal I'd use to reduce downtime. It had a much better hp-per-second click than the 'upgraded' bp that came after it.
11. Nightfall (dagger) for snare. (no longer drops in the version I have).
12. The usual stuff like Jboots, Shrunken gob earring, all 5 flowers of functionality, Lodi boots, Blood Orchid Katana, Shield of the Immaculate, Pegasus Cloak, Tiny Cloak of Darkest Night, etc., etc.

I had a bunch of other tools and consumables that I simply can't remember. Despite all that, it was still incredibly difficult.

Something else I don't think you, and the couple of the other skeptics, have taken in to consideration is, at that time, I was on Stormhammer (in Township Rebellion). That server had a completely different economy than regular servers. The population was much, much smaller and very top-heavy. Everything was considerably more expensive. Also, the typical plat farmers didn't really exist for a couple reasons. The server had a low max capacity and the GM presence was constant so the farmers got banned relatively quickly.

I also think the server's demographic was more willing to spend money to get what they wanted, when they wanted it.

If you could sell fungi's for 400 dollars in pok you could be rich enough to shag Kim Kardashian and release a sex tape

Grabbit Allworth · Tuesday at 4:31 PM

Daidraco said:
So you were a rogue in at least Planes of Power with (imo) underwhelming gear, struggling on kunark Myconids. I mean, at least we know how you did it as a solo Rogue now.

Think the confusion for most of us was that when we think of the Fungi Tunic at its most valuable- which $400 USD is pretty valuable in 2000 in my mind - he had to be soloing King in Kunark era. Which would be mathematically impossible with the gear available in Kunark and no AA’s.

Classic Hp Regen was capped at 30? Or 35? And it was still a solid item in POP for shamans etc. iirc. But whoever was buying them for $400 during POP is an absolute moron and that is now - the point of contention in your claim.

Or to take it one step further, a class, like a Shaman, could be power leveled by an AOE group In any number of locations during POP. The amount they would pay to be power leveled to a point that they could solo fungi camp by themselves, at the time, would cost substantially less than $400.

Server rarity is a thing, sure. But in POP era - there were multiple websites out for auctions. To think there wouldnt be at least a handful of guys out there that would instantly invade that server and farm tf out of old world content that sells for $400 is an outlandish dream at best.

If you did what you say you did, then congrats. But Im sensing some real rose colored glasses here.

Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

Kebabman · Tuesday at 4:56 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

claiming you made 8k in pop selling fungi's is wild.

that roughly equates to 1800 kr when adjusting for inflation.

i remember accounts in pop selling for between 100-500 dollars in pop.

Caligula_The_Cat · Tuesday at 6:18 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

Did you also beat up 4 navy seals in a bar?

Pharone · Tuesday at 9:15 PM

Caligula_The_Cat said:
Did you also beat up 4 navy seals in a bar?

No, but he did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. LOL

Kithani · Wednesday at 8:55 AM

Pharone said:
No, but he did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. LOL

I heard he solo’s 5 Navy Seals at the Holiday Inn using his trusty LOCUSTLURE

moonarchia · Wednesday at 11:30 AM

Kithani said:
I heard he solo’s 5 Navy Seals at the Holiday Inn using his trusty LOCUSTLURE

So you're saying he really likes the gravy?

Sylas · Wednesday at 12:11 PM

I don't think anyone doubts that you did it, a lvl 65-70 raid geared rogue soloing a lvl 56 light blue mob? should have been possible, the fact that it was difficult even then speaks to how shitty rogue class balance was back then. Lvl 52 monks were soloing lvl 55 dragons before lvl 65-70 rogues were soloing lvl 56 mushrooms? A travesty.

Some people are doubting that fungi's were going for $400 by that time, 2003-2004? I would be skeptical, but then again we have posters on this very forum admitting to spending 5k dollars for gear on THJ which was literally a solo server where pretty much all content could be cleared with a naked character, so no, I don't doubt that there's a fool and his money ready to be parted out there for anything.

Tuco · Wednesday at 5:40 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

I think your parents were trying to support you on the downlow by buying fungi tunics from you.

Mini · Wednesday at 9:38 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

Peaked on Stormhammer in a pop geared rogue farming fungi’s. A true god among men. 🫡

Siddar · Wednesday at 10:30 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
Poorly geared?

How did you come to that conclusion? Nothing I listed in my itemized post was the gear that I wore. Those were the extra soloing tools I carried with me. The gear I wore was BiS (or close) for the period.

At this point, this conversation has gotten fucking retarded. It happened exactly the way I said it did. The thing I can't nail down for sure is the exact time frame. The only thing I know for certain is that it was not long after the release of PoP. You either believe it or you don't, but I really couldn't care less.

The reason I bothered to explain myself is because I despise being called a liar. Particularly when I am being completely transparent. I absolutely agree that what I was being paid was well-above market value (even for a unique environment like Stormhammer) and I have no idea why the buyer was willing to pay me what he did, but he did. And that's why I spent every extra hour I could spare trying to maximize it. I knew it wouldn't last long (and it didn't).

At any rate. I'm not going to continue arguing over making 7-8k over the course of 3 or 4 months. I was able to farm ~18-20 tunics before that well ran dry and he didn't want them for any price. It certainly wasn't some unlimited spigot of free cash that lasted forever.

Vindication scum!

By the way, I believe you on soloing in Seb.

It was in PoP, so you would have a complete set Vex Thal gear by that time.

Grabbit Allworth · Wednesday at 10:33 PM

Siddar said:
Vindication scum!

By the way, I believe you on soloing in Seb.

It was in PoP, so you would have a complete set Vex Thal gear by that time.

WTF? This motherfucker actually knows me. You were either in Vindi before we moved to SH and created TR or an EQ historian.

I'm extremely intrigued. Who are you, my man?

Grabbit Allworth · Wednesday at 10:39 PM

Mini said:
Peaked on Stormhammer in a pop geared rogue farming fungi’s. A true god among men. 🫡

What is with the 2 or 3 of you completely miserable fucks?

What about a guy saying he solo'd some content that was a couple expansions old, and made a few bucks, is so fucking triggering?

I'd be loving the fact that you're so bent out of shape over something that happened 23-24ish years ago, if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic.

And I didn't "peak" during PoP. I "peaked" in GoD shitting on pre-nerf Tacvi, faggot.

Siddar · Wednesday at 10:41 PM

Grabbit Allworth said:
WTF? This motherfucker actually knows me. You were either in Vindi before we moved to SH and created TR or an EQ historian.

I'm extremely intrigued. Who are you, my man?

Nope, I was a spectator of your guild's flame war threads on Druzzil over waking sleeper, followed by you all transferring to Stormhammer departure from Druzzil.

Grabbit Allworth · Wednesday at 10:48 PM

Siddar said:
Nope, I was a spectator of your guild's flame war threads on Druzzil over waking sleeper, followed by you all transferring to Stormhammer departure from Druzzil.

Yeah....the guild wasn't well-liked. Though, to be fair, what uber-guild back then was? Still, I rarely, if ever participated in the flaming shit though. I just showed up to raids and did the best I could.

Just seeing someone else type Vindi hit me hard in the nostalgia feels. It's been many, many years since another soul has mentioned it and it might sound super lame, but it brought back a ton of memories.

Anyway, enough gay shit.

What guild were you in? When the leadership of TR went MIA I left for Afterlife, but they were having their own problems and I came back to Druzzil and joined Hoss, but I lost the love for the game and quit shortly after.

Siddar · Wednesday at 11:17 PM

I was in a lowbie guild that was farming Nagfen and Vox at the time Vindication decided to break the guild rotation with its sleeper kill.

You missed the epic Vindication-inspired flame wars druzzil forums, it seems.

Waking the sleeper.
Wolfybite then telling everyone that they didn't deserve their epics.
Followed by your guild leaving the server.
Then there was the whole druzzil ragefire war that you guys were also responsible for indirectly by breaking the rotation on the server.

It was good times back then when people still cared about this stuff.

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