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I'm not sure any of the credit scenes should be considered canonical.
IIRC, while Fallout's history had states, they were conglomerated into Commonwealths a century before the war.
I'm not sure anyone would call Canada the 51st State, as opposed to the 14th Commonwealth.
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I will admit that while I was hoping for cameos this season, I expected them from the New Vegas cast, not from F1. Then again, if we are getting heavy Enclave action in S3, it does make sense that they would start peppering in characters now.
IIRC, while Fallout's history had states, they were conglomerated into Commonwealths a century before the war.
I'm not sure anyone would call Canada the 51st State, as opposed to the 14th Commonwealth.
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I will admit that while I was hoping for cameos this season, I expected them from the New Vegas cast, not from F1. Then again, if we are getting heavy Enclave action in S3, it does make sense that they would start peppering in characters now.
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Its not even cannon to the own show, I think someone was just having a jab at IRL atm. Blonde chicks ID said United States Annexed Territory Canada
Cybsled
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In terms of that after credit scene, the "Big 51" was just painted over the word "Canada". Same with the "Little America" being painted over the Canadian billboard sign.
I suspect one reason they haven't gone into that bit of lore about the states is because the show has already referred to The Commonwealth in terms of the BOS chapter, with specific reference to the Boston/Massachusetts area (which is a Commonwealth IRL). But if all the state clusters were referred to Commonwealths, it would confuse the matter considering this show makes frequent use of flashbacks.
I suspect one reason they haven't gone into that bit of lore about the states is because the show has already referred to The Commonwealth in terms of the BOS chapter, with specific reference to the Boston/Massachusetts area (which is a Commonwealth IRL). But if all the state clusters were referred to Commonwealths, it would confuse the matter considering this show makes frequent use of flashbacks.
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Hoss
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just started watching this last week. Great show. I never played any fallouts. I was aware the games existed but that's about it. So I'm wondering if all the people claiming it's garbage are people who loved the game.
There are a lot of things I can tell must be game references, but other than not understanding how the whole ghoul thing works, I don't feel lost at all. They are doing a great job of not assuming everyone already knows the story.
There are a lot of things I can tell must be game references, but other than not understanding how the whole ghoul thing works, I don't feel lost at all. They are doing a great job of not assuming everyone already knows the story.
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eh games are great, the show is great. Don't get caught up in game is cannon BS and enjoy both for their merits.
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Basically, the game fandom's opposition boils down to two (and a half) issues:
1) This isn't an adaptation, this is in-universe. Unlike The Last of Us, where they decided "Hey, let's film the videogame cut scenes with real people!" but the show has no bearing on the videogames themselves, Fallout is canonical - this is effectively Fallout 5. So if the showrunners decide "Capitalists blew up the world because they thought losing 100% of their market and 99% of their investments is a smart move (and also anyone that isn't a Communist is a wrong-thinking monster)", then that's the official backstory for all games in the past and going forward.
2) But they've also said all (and no) game choices are canonical. Fallout has always been a post-apocalyptic role playing game, namely your choices in the game decide which version of civilization will rise from the ashes. The show has decided it won't invalidate anyone's choices in those games in declaring "The 75% of you that didn't choose side X were wrong"... by invalidating 100% of the players' choices by saying "Actually, whatever you picked, it doesn't matter, everything blew up regardless of your choices. All of your actions were meaningless."
2.5) Fallout's been made by two distinct groups of people: Interplay (later Obsidian) who made the West Coast based Fallout 1, 2, and later New Vegas, and Bethesda, who bought the rights and made the East Coast based Fallout 3 and 4. Virtually everything in this Bethesda-branded show so far has involved material not made by Bethesda - and everything blown up also isn't Bethesda's material.
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Caliane
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Got a chuckle looking at the simps in the /r fallout trying to discuss whats happening to Thaddiius. "Centaurs aren't made from humans, so he must be something else." "master was in a vat of FEV. supermutants are drowned in FEV. he was just injected with a small sample. " etc.
as if the writers or Bethesda give any shit about canon, or lore.
as if the writers or Bethesda give any shit about canon, or lore.
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Cybsled
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The games have had different strains of FEV that use different mechanisms of delivery. One thing they forget is the "dunk vats" are a primitive means of applying concentrated FEV to subjects that was primarily done post war by non-sophisticated factions. Pre-war and vault wise, FEV introduction tended to be more sophisticated (like the airborne strain in FO3) and they forget that FEV in the water supply/food supply caused the mutation of lots of wasteland animals.
The Chicken Fucker visiting the ruins of Mariposa and just bottling up some centaur vat juice or whatever and injecting it isn't implausible.
The Chicken Fucker visiting the ruins of Mariposa and just bottling up some centaur vat juice or whatever and injecting it isn't implausible.
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ha. you are still doing what they are though. looking at canon, and arguing based on what was done previously. Bethesda doesn't give a shit about that. They will write something, and change the canon to fit.
This is not even show exclusive, they have been doing it in the games since they got the IP as well.
This is not even show exclusive, they have been doing it in the games since they got the IP as well.
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I mean even Interplay fudged with the canon even back in Fallout 2. Ultimately they are games and games more often than not are going to "retcon" or tweak lore in order to fit the game mechanics and experience. Like in Fallout 1 fusion cores lasted more or less forever (in game I think they said they had 100 years of power), but that was more a side effect of the limitations of the game engine. When they went 3D, took until Fallout 4 where they actually made power armor an actual power armor suit with fusion core fuel input as opposed to some regular armor you put on that makes you look like you're in power armor.
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It really kills fallout 1 and 2 fans that most people who like fallout like it for the Bethesda titles.
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I am not sure the show is so much Communism Good as it is Corporations Evil, which are not the same thing. Remember the differences between the world extend well prior to the war with some of its backstory extending as far back as the 1500s in places. There is a whole bunch of stuff that went different in the World Wars and a whole war on the Moon hinted at in the games as well.
And its basically impossible to continue the story without deciding on at least some of the game cannon. The fact that the Commonwealth BOS chapter both exists and is the most powerful suggests that its at least the anti institute ending and with the lone rep being so hard core military and dogmatic about mutants, pretty much means Maxon is still in charge. That would mean that the Underground is certainly gone, along with the Institute, but the Minutemen are possibly still out there somewhere. FO3 is pretty well set. New Vegas looks like the Yes Man ending but without the Legion leaving. House in theory dead, Caeser dead, NCR driven out, and upgraded Securitrons all point to this along with zero BOS presence in the area. I am fine with that because it makes the most sense and leaves the most options open for story. Courier took over and fucked things up. Would also mean the DLC is mostly wide open, aside from not using the nuke on anyone at the end (which Hank did later to cripple the NCR in the show). I personally don't give a shit if they use something plausible from the game and write well around it, which they have in my view. I mean if you want to get really picky, the BOS Civil War thing is pretty much lining up with what occured in FO Tactics.
The one real issue is that Obsidian made NV and that is the best Fallout game. Bethesda is doing what they do best, mine other people's ideas for cash. I can see people getting pissed at that, plus having known some of those guys personally Bethesda fucked them hard out of money by review bombing their own fucking game so fuck Bethesda. But ironically, the strong emphasis on FNV that the show has had in general is pretty much tacit admission by Bethesda that FNV was the best game and story. And so far they have done it justice.
And its basically impossible to continue the story without deciding on at least some of the game cannon. The fact that the Commonwealth BOS chapter both exists and is the most powerful suggests that its at least the anti institute ending and with the lone rep being so hard core military and dogmatic about mutants, pretty much means Maxon is still in charge. That would mean that the Underground is certainly gone, along with the Institute, but the Minutemen are possibly still out there somewhere. FO3 is pretty well set. New Vegas looks like the Yes Man ending but without the Legion leaving. House in theory dead, Caeser dead, NCR driven out, and upgraded Securitrons all point to this along with zero BOS presence in the area. I am fine with that because it makes the most sense and leaves the most options open for story. Courier took over and fucked things up. Would also mean the DLC is mostly wide open, aside from not using the nuke on anyone at the end (which Hank did later to cripple the NCR in the show). I personally don't give a shit if they use something plausible from the game and write well around it, which they have in my view. I mean if you want to get really picky, the BOS Civil War thing is pretty much lining up with what occured in FO Tactics.
The one real issue is that Obsidian made NV and that is the best Fallout game. Bethesda is doing what they do best, mine other people's ideas for cash. I can see people getting pissed at that, plus having known some of those guys personally Bethesda fucked them hard out of money by review bombing their own fucking game so fuck Bethesda. But ironically, the strong emphasis on FNV that the show has had in general is pretty much tacit admission by Bethesda that FNV was the best game and story. And so far they have done it justice.
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