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I did my part signing it. In Sweden at least I needed to confirm my identity with a secure system so signatures from here should all be legit.

They are afraid of false or invalid signatures.

Harshaw said:

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Why the fuck do people hate their customers? Then again, I’ve worked in plastics that were partially recycled and joked I made plastic for women with hairy armpits.

Animosity said:

Reaper Actual - An Open World Persistent Shooter

An Open World Persistent Shooter from Distinct Possibility Studios. Experience tactical combat, faction warfare, and dynamic gameplay in an immersive persistent world.

reaperactual.com

Smed's new game and studio

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Reminds me of Spec Ops the Line

Caeden said:

Why the fuck do people hate their customers?

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Because we allowed serious mental illness to become a badge of honor instead of something to hide at all costs to avoid becoming unemployable.

Bandwagon said:

I actually have a lot of clients who's businesses or approaches i don't agree with. Tribes, land trusts, cities requiring dei stuff or pushing eminent domain, etc.

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Difference is you provide a service. Being a game designer is more akin to being an artist. The attitude you take with the people that consume your art reflect much more on you then somebody providing a service.

Bandwagon said:

How do we not have any games out yet that are (somewhat) effectively using LLMs? Even if they're really limited in scope.

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Some games are certainly generating their content using them, but they don't want to tell anyone that.

For the first time since release I did not renew PS+ yearly subscription. Major console slump besides a few exclusives and all things Atlus.

Bandwagon said:

How do we not have any games out yet that are (somewhat) effectively using LLMs? Even if they're really limited in scope.

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If you're talking about in-game dynamic content, the answer is cost. Tokens in high volume are expensive. Also, the tech is moving so fast that the feature set is borderline unstable over the timeline of game development.

feel free to repost in another subforum, i don't really open most of them anymore. LG 65" OLED C5 (latest 2025 model) + S80TR sound bar + free wallmount install for $1349+tax. crazy deal on an LG OLED TV. you can be an LG partner through id me (military vet, medical/firefighter/cop, teacher, etc) or even simply by having a hulu sub lol

Caliane said:

damn. after the "we are doomed" video. a backlash sparked they hit the 1million signatures.

European Citizens' Initiative

Give your support !

eci.ec.europa.eu

Petition: Prohibit publishers irrevocably disabling video games they have already sold

The government should update consumer law to prohibit publishers from disabling video games (and related game assets / features) they have already sold without recourse for customers to retain or repair them. We seek this as a statutory consumer right.

petition.parliament.uk

We don't have a ton of EU people, so pushing this heavy here didn't have a point.. but still just a reminder if you are in the EU. go sign. 1m isn't really enough as invalid voters might need to be culled.

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I understand the impetus, but asking the EU for additional regulations feels like inviting a vampire into your house.
I was mostly unaware of the specifics but read through a giant reddit thread about it yesterday and decided that no one discussing it had any idea of the specifics either.
So here's the ask from the petition. Feel free to point out if I'm misunderstanding.

Either software, pixels, and db entries are property or they aren't. If they aren't, then this doesn't appear to apply. If the EU decides that they are, doesn't that essentially upend the entire software industry and the concept of licenses? It make make sense in concept, but it would mean a massive shift in how modern games are made (and software too, unless they don't mind being super inconsistent).

Bandwagon said:

How do we not have any games out yet that are (somewhat) effectively using LLMs? Even if they're really limited in scope.

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I honestly just want to play a game like Rimworld where the NPC's are all based off LLM and the longer you play, the more their "innate features" become present, or go away, etc. I want to see them learn, right? Have risk vs reward structures and more incorporated into their AI. If they adopt a religion, then they ultimately play that out on their own without much guidance. I know its coming.. but I just hate that Im getting older and by the time I find something that will really engross me - I'll be too old and ill tempered to give a damn.

Control said:

I understand the impetus, but asking the EU for additional regulations feels like inviting a vampire into your house.
I was mostly unaware of the specifics but read through a giant reddit thread about it yesterday and decided that no one discussing it had any idea of the specifics either.
So here's the ask from the petition. Feel free to point out if I'm misunderstanding.
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Either software, pixels, and db entries are property or they aren't. If they aren't, then this doesn't appear to apply. If the EU decides that they are, doesn't that essentially upend the entire software industry and the concept of licenses? It make make sense in concept, but it would mean a massive shift in how modern games are made (and software too, unless they don't mind being super inconsistent).

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Just playing devils advocate here. 1. I do believe we should have the option to purchase a physical copy of any software that is offered for sale online. In the case of Adobe and similar "subscription" software, that can effectively run 90% of its functions offline - then you should have the right to purchase a physical copy of it with the online features disabled.

On the devils side of it - I feel like if its an online game or similar, itll dissuade or hinder companies from releasing shit. For example - if I was a company and I was getting ready to release something like "Anthem" - I dont want to have to support that shit into perpetuity and playing it offline. On that same note, playing some online games offline would effectively break, or require the complete redesign of the game to make it not be an unplayable piece of shit - incurring some large expense to do so. Whether thats at the front of development, or at the end of the games life span.

Daidraco said:

Just playing devils advocate here. 1. I do believe we should have the option to purchase a physical copy of any software that is offered for sale online. In the case of Adobe and similar "subscription" software, that can effectively run 90% of its functions offline - then you should have the right to purchase a physical copy of it with the online features disabled.

On the devils side of it - I feel like if its an online game or similar, itll dissuade or hinder companies from releasing shit. For example - if I was a company and I was getting ready to release something like "Anthem" - I dont want to have to support that shit into perpetuity and playing it offline. On that same note, playing some online games offline would effectively break, or require the complete redesign of the game to make it not be an unplayable piece of shit - incurring some large expense to do so. Whether thats at the front of development, or at the end of the games life span.

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Yes, for normal software that would be ideal, no argument there. But it's completely counter to the direction of the last couple of decades or more of software development, and basically every big software company would fight tooth and nail to prevent it. That's not to say that the EU still wouldn't do it, but it would be largely flipping the table on modern software.

Online games and microtransactions make it weird too (and probably some software with similar features). Most multiplayer games could probably get by with planning for player-hosted servers, but would any mmo-ish game ever get released with that limitation? And I'm no fan of microtransactions, but if I buy a virtual hat and we want to call that hat legal property just like a real hat and the game developer is required to make sure that I'm always able to make use if it somehow... And how could you even ban players?

I assume that nothing will happen, but if the EU did act as requested, it would either require dramatic changes in future software/games (including some game types and features being effectively banned) or all of it ends up being avoided with proper disclosures/TOS, in which case nothing changes and the entire thing was pointless to begin with.