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Gavinmad said:
Well it seems like you understand who were the perpetrators at least, and while it's a gross oversimplification that genuinely makes me cringe you aren't exactly wrong about the motivations. But the Hutu also lost and in the end were largely driven out of the country.
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no one wins a civil war, especially when its based on false dichotomies manufactured out of myth. we have a lot of that going on right now.
 
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Gavinmad said:
Well it seems like you understand who were the perpetrators at least, and while it's a gross oversimplification that genuinely makes me cringe you aren't exactly wrong about the motivations. But the Hutu also lost and in the end were largely driven out of the country.
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You think this is going to end up differently?
 
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Gavinmad said:
a gross oversimplification
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Had to think about that one for a minute. and that is just how I roll.

my personal motto since my 20s has been 'Nothing is ever as simple as it seems, but should be treated as if it is'. its the only way I have been able to stay sane.

I think that is what fundamentally disturbs me about the way the world works atm. Everyone wants to dive off into the weeds, split hairs, argue the definitions of words, play What If. Anything to avoid facing the problem in front of them, handling it and moving on to the next better place up the road.
 
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Zapatta said:
between faking footage and following jurors the lefty idiots are giving the judge more and more wiggle room to set aside any verdict and dismiss this shitshow. they always step on their own dick trying to force things their way.
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Yet we keep letting them...
 
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This is literally how college students at Emerson College in Boston talk.

Once you start characterizing the people you disagree with as "public health threats" that can't be reasoned with or rehabilitated, or as a "virus" or "disease" in the system of society, it isn't a big leap at all to get to firing squads. See also: New York's "People can be incarcerated if deemed a public health threat" followed by "Racism is a public health emergency" followed by "All white people are racist". So following the logic-chain of their weird set of rules, jailing people based on their skin color is within the realm of possibility. Put all of this together and you have a combustible element.

Watch Hotel Rwanda (or study any recent genocide), the genocide there was pre-ceded by a lot of this same kind of discourse. All it really needs is for popular leaders to give it the go-ahead, either explicitly or implicitly, and for authorities to get out of the way. Both of those things happened in 2020. If it was a trial run for the future by the people orchestrating it, the U.S. is already completely fucked. It does seem like most people have woken up and that the people on board with this stuff are a distinct minority, at the very least.
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I did a lot of reading on Rwanda after watching that movie, including reading Shake Hands With The Devil. It terrified me that the entire world stood by and watched as people were chopped up with machetes for their appearance, their political persuasion. A real genocide in our time, and no one did a fucking thing. We are all complicit in those deaths, it is a real stain on humanity in general.

I mean, I guess the solution was to go in and gun down the other side, which isn't really a solution either, but goddamn someone needed to step in instead of step out.

It was also the end of the UN as any kind of good or decent organization for anyone who was paying attention.

And, yeah, I am aware of all the other shit in the world we just pretend doesn't exist. Like South Africa. Like current Australia. Like every part of Africa. Beasts of No Nation was a pretty fucking horrifying movie. Yugoslavia in the 80s. North Korea. China.

Anyway, it just cements how easily it can all rain down on one side if everyone just gives up. And how the rest of the world will just let it happen. Especially right now in the US and Canada, because there is a lot of global envy over the power of the US, and the oceans dividing the continents are broad and deep.
 
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Chukzombi said:
any chance we get a verdict today?
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doubt it. the 2 holdouts are trying hard to find him guilty of something.

the foreman is allowing it to continue. they could tell the judge at any time it's a problem.

this is being allowed to deliberate beyond a reasonable time due to a few womens concerns for a pedophile and a women kidnapper.

the jurors have a right to be concerned about their safety. they fucked up.
 
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imagine watching those dogshit videos instead of just immediately casting doubt on them and throwing them aside?

they better fear god
 
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Someday people will wake up and realize that media is the REAL enemy of the people and start protesting outside their local news stations.
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The media has always been the enemy of the people. Go back and look at some old German newspapers from the 30s. If not, just guess what the media was pushing? War and socialism.
 
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The longer this goes on the less likely ARKyle walks free.
 
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Slaanesh69 said:
I did a lot of reading on Rwanda after watching that movie, including reading Shake Hands With The Devil. It terrified me that the entire world stood by and watched as people were chopped up with machetes for their appearance, their political persuasion. A real genocide in our time, and no one did a fucking thing. We are all complicit in those deaths, it is a real stain on humanity in general.

I mean, I guess the solution was to go in and gun down the other side, which isn't really a solution either, but goddamn someone needed to step in instead of step out.

It was also the end of the UN as any kind of good or decent organization for anyone who was paying attention.

And, yeah, I am aware of all the other shit in the world we just pretend doesn't exist. Like South Africa. Like current Australia. Like every part of Africa. Beasts of No Nation was a pretty fucking horrifying movie. Yugoslavia in the 80s. North Korea. China.

Anyway, it just cements how easily it can all rain down on one side if everyone just gives up. And how the rest of the world will just let it happen. Especially right now in the US and Canada, because there is a lot of global envy over the power of the US, and the oceans dividing the continents are broad and deep.
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I disagree. The problem with the world is exactly this. We have this notion that we can fix entire countries or continents, instead of them fixing themselves. They don't even ask for help and we force it on them, and then wonder why they hate us until we leave, and then go back to what they were doing when we left. We tried to step in and help Somalia in the same way and it's still a cluster fuck to this day. The US/Europe has been trying to save Africa from itself for decades now and all we're doing is giving them more shit to burn down.
 
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