GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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Biggest thing I want to see is how they reconcile the religious aspects of the story:
Lord of Light & The Great Other
R'hllor
Bran is bait but I don't think he kills the NK.
Melisandre & Thoros should play a part since they worship his counter
But then the NK is mixed in with the Old Gods of the Forest - kinda breaking that "duality" that's mentioned in the wiki.
And the Faceless men believe in only 1 god, so Light & Death would be one & the same, making ties with Arya on both sides.
I hope we get a decent "conclusion" here and it's a point where I believe Bran/NK/Thoros/Melisandre... even Arya, all will play a critical part, and perhaps there is no true "death" for any of them.. but something else. In fact, you have nearly 7 players here alone, perhaps forming a representation of the Seven.
Lord of Light & The Great Other
R'hllor
Bran is bait but I don't think he kills the NK.
Melisandre & Thoros should play a part since they worship his counter
But then the NK is mixed in with the Old Gods of the Forest - kinda breaking that "duality" that's mentioned in the wiki.
And the Faceless men believe in only 1 god, so Light & Death would be one & the same, making ties with Arya on both sides.
I hope we get a decent "conclusion" here and it's a point where I believe Bran/NK/Thoros/Melisandre... even Arya, all will play a critical part, and perhaps there is no true "death" for any of them.. but something else. In fact, you have nearly 7 players here alone, perhaps forming a representation of the Seven.
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yes, sure, but it's NOT an allegory. the very first scene in the very first episode is whitewalker attacking some night's watch.
don't get me wrong, the iron throne is a huge draw, but GRRM has CONTINUALLY shown that PLAYING the game of thrones leads to death. when was the last time the king of westeros, or any place, died peacefully after a long happy reign? you have people like cersei and littlefinger playing with people's lives just to solidify their own power. dany's next. but here's jon. gives up everything, continually. he gave up the right to have children when he took the black. he became the leader of the watch and gave that up. he became the king in the north and gave that up. he's doing everything in his power to NOT PLAY because the white walkers are the real threat.
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I think at least 1 dragon survives so we still get the KL raid as seen in those flashbacks Daeny had in Season 1? 2? Where dust was falling in the throne room.
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yeah same here... the lord of light is just... very unsettling. clearly the lord of light is in opposition to the night king... that being said the lord of light isn't what i would call benevolent either. i'm sure it's been discussed before so i won't rehash anything... maybe melissandre is just a terrible spokesperson...
anyway, i was rewatching the beric vs the hound fight and one of the comments pointed out a whispered voice at 1:34. maybe it's just rando sound effects and human's need to find patterns where none exist but it sure sounds like a woman saying "innocent"
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i could be wrong, but things seemed pretty peaceful before the Targaryans took over all the kingdoms. they had the dragons and nobody could beat them. now most of the First Men/Andal Houses are gone. even if the NK and WW turned around and went back home right now. the Westeros landscape will never be the same.
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dust? that's snow. and it's a vision so it's all metaphorical. so either jon snow sits on the iron throne, or the night king comes and... erm... sits on the iron throne.
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well the lore back then is pretty vague, so even if the land was all sunshine and lollipops, the targaryans ruled for how long? pretty long.
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My point was the others is some side story is horse shit. They're a slow creeping death coming the entire series. They aren't just there for some stupid side story, they are THE story. At least I think so.
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I'd like to believe we get the same visual but it's dust instead. Sure, it transitions to the North, but dust & snow can look similar. I just don't know how else Daeny will win KL without a dragon wreaking havoc, especially after this battle.
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I don't think the god of death wants the NK to win. God of death is a dude playing the long game/gain and doesn't want a lump sum compromise all at once. That's another reason I think NK gets wiped out, god of death wants to keep his farm.
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I always liked the argument that the undead & white walkers are just some side story nothingness... the show and books start with them, just because they are not the yuuge prevelant thing for years, as I explained above, is not how it was all founded on being initially.
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it was definitely more stable, we wouldnt have had all these noble houses that lasted for 6-8000 years if shit was in constant turmoil. Targs have only been around for 300 years and now most everything is gone. Targs definitely pissed in the Westerosi cheerios.
They couldve even acknowledged the whole hiding in the crypts thing with one throwaway line:
Person: you sure the crypts are safe?
Jon: Most of the bones there are all dust by now, and even the ones that arent are sealed inside stone tombs.
Person: you sure the crypts are safe?
Jon: Most of the bones there are all dust by now, and even the ones that arent are sealed inside stone tombs.
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In the grand history of the world of Westeros, they are a big aspect of its history.
But for this particular story that we're watching on Television, it's not the main aspect.
Perhaps one day we get some spin-offs (oh wait, we are), that will expand upon the mythical elements of Westeros (and other continents).
Edit: And also keep in mind that WW were creations of the CotF whom we very seldom have seen in this series. WW are still basically a side story and can easily have an end-point in time, which we may witness Sunday.
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i never liked dany, so that obviously affects my rationale, but i think that's further proof she ISN'T getting the iron throne. the same vision that she walks through the throne room has her walk outside to a hut with drogo and their son. i don't think that's a vision, i think that's just a dream she's having. she WANTS those things, but isn't getting them.
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yeah, I did want to mention Melisandre almost certainly showing back up. I'm not certain where and what part she could play exactly though.
I could see her throwing in with Circe. Not sure Circe would give 2 shits about her though.
another option is "sequel bait". as people have mentioned, the kraken, etc. I could also see NK beaten, foes vanquished. Tired and beaten Westeroes sits in respite, as we cut to Melisandre awakening her Red God in Voltanis, who is a great and terrible dragon set to alight the world on fire.
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Mel is 90% fraud and maybe 10% the real deal, Thoros was probably waaaaay more powerful than she was and he didnt go full zealot like she did. Mel was using her parlor tricks to make herself more than what she really was. she isnt going to do any Deus Ex stuff unless the show goes full retard and gives her uber powers she never had before.
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300 years old. glamour. shadow assassins. shes at least 30% real deal. she was doing legit ass magic long before anyone else in the series. Before magic woke up.
granted, something was "wrong" clearly. bullshit prophecies. totally shocked at resurrections. even if later able to do so.
seeking answers to how she went so wrong, after being faithful for so long, makes sense. and, finding those answers could be terrible for everyone else.
We don't know shit about the various gods out there. We don't know their true natures. the religions as practiced, might be way off. But even as worshiped, none of them are particularly nice. the 7 as far as we know, is total bullshit.
granted, something was "wrong" clearly. bullshit prophecies. totally shocked at resurrections. even if later able to do so.
seeking answers to how she went so wrong, after being faithful for so long, makes sense. and, finding those answers could be terrible for everyone else.
We don't know shit about the various gods out there. We don't know their true natures. the religions as practiced, might be way off. But even as worshiped, none of them are particularly nice. the 7 as far as we know, is total bullshit.
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