GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Derivator_sl · May 12, 2014

spronk_sl said:
Oberyn really has been fantastically cast by the way, his little viper-ish ways and his talks with Varys and questioning during the trial were awesome. I think the dude isn't even a pro actor.

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Mist · May 12, 2014

StoiCynic_sl said:
Seemed a bit strange seeing Varys explicitly suggest he was after the throne to Oberon whom he just met. A bit out of character. Enjoyed the scene none the less.

They did just have a conversation saying "Do you like to fuck boys? I like to fuck boys!" so I think Varys was just being equally frank.

Tuco · May 12, 2014

I loved how confused Oberyn was when Varys said he was non-sexual pre-castration. Like he wasn't able to imagine a person without sexual desire. And when Varys motioned toward the iron throne Oberyn's reaction seemed to say, "You want to fuck the chair?"

Evernothing · May 12, 2014

Uber Uberest · May 12, 2014

Kreugen_sl said:
There should be two missing - the one that was used to poison Joff, and the one Littlefinger crushed to demonstrate for Sansa.

If she's saying only one was missing then it means someone grabbed the wrong prop.

That's what I figured. We thought there should have been 2 gone.

But thanks for thinking I was retarded Spronk.

Needless · May 12, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
I loved how confused Oberyn was when Varys said he was non-sexual pre-castration. Like he wasn't able to imagine a person without sexual desire. And when Varys motioned toward the iron throne Oberyn's reaction seemed to say, "You want to fuck the chair?"

If you weren't a eunuch already, you surely would be from that.

Chukzombi · May 12, 2014

what ever happened to the guy who used to post here claiming that Varys was a mer-man? after that scene i started laughing because i figured he would pop back up with a "a-ha! i was right!" post.

chaos · May 12, 2014

Needless_sl said:
Yeah.. i'm not sure where people get the assumption that Tywin has any choice in regards of whom the champion is. It's in cersei's hands?she was the accuser.. which is why tyrion is fucked to begin with. Yes Tywin is head of the house and can control Cersei, but I really, really don't see him controlling her in this case as he benefits from tyrion regardless of being found guilty or not guilty as his entire motive is to get Jaime to be his heir.

Because he is Tywin? He can have her ovaries ripped out and Tommen publicly beheaded if he wants. To show the level of control Tywin has over not only his family but also the kingdom, and then have him watched helplessly as Cersei fucks up all his plans, that just seems kind of asinine.

Grimmlokk · May 12, 2014

Maester Chuk_sl said:
what ever happened to the guy who used to post here claiming that Varys was a mer-man? after that scene i started laughing because i figured he would pop back up with a "a-ha! i was right!" post.

It wasn't a theory from here, it was just brought here from elsewhere.

Also one of the best parts of the episode was how Tywininstantlyaccepted Jaime's proposal when he said he'd lose the cloak. Tywin had that plan set in advance and Jaime just walked right in to it. Just another insight to how far ahead of everyone else Tywin is usually.

They changed Shea's testimony. The breaking point for Tyrion in the book is when she lies that he made her call him her "Giant of Lannister" and the crowd starts laughing their collective ass off. They changed it to Lion for some reason, took away a little bit of the impact.

chaos_sl said:
Because he is Tywin? He can have her ovaries ripped out and Tommen publicly beheaded if he wants. To show the level of control Tywin has over not only his family but also the kingdom, and then have him watched helplessly as Cersei fucks up all his plans, that just seems kind of asinine.

No, he can't. He's not going to neuter his family in front of hundreds of highborn witnesses. The fact she's fucks it up beyond even his control is what's impressive.

dassem · May 12, 2014

Olscratch · May 12, 2014

Don't know if this has already been updated, but Wilko Johnson - our beloved Ilyn Payne, was supposed to be dead from pancreatic cancer a year ago and recently underwent surgery though he refused chemo last year.Wilko Johnson pancreatic cancer: Dr Feelgood guitarist has major operation which could save his life - Mirror Online

There is hope.

Needless · May 12, 2014

chaos_sl said:
Because he is Tywin? He can have her ovaries ripped out and Tommen publicly beheaded if he wants. To show the level of control Tywin has over not only his family but also the kingdom, and then have him watched helplessly as Cersei fucks up all his plans, that just seems kind of asinine.

Bro, I think you and a lot of others give Tywin way too much credit. If "he is Tywin" why can't he still do something about this? Why does the trial by combat still take place? Why doesn't he FORCE Jaime to be his heir in the first place? Why didn't he just control everything from the beginning?

He's a powerful character-but he's still a man, and men have limits.

Tuco · May 12, 2014

Scratch_sl said:
Don't know if this has already been updated, but Wilko Johnson - our beloved Ilyn Payne, was supposed to be dead from pancreatic cancer a year ago and recently underwent surgery though he refused chemo last year.Wilko Johnson pancreatic cancer: Dr Feelgood guitarist has major operation which could save his life - Mirror Online

There is hope.

Good news. I've been disappointed that Jaime didn't train against Ilyn Payne. I was looking forward to those scenes as they really fleshed out both characters amazingly.

And yeah, chaos I think you're way overestimating the level of control Tywin has. Trial by combat is a huge out for Tyrion and a way for Tywin to get Jaime out of the kingsguard, but I think the next episode will show Cersei fucking everything up and push things out of Tywin's control.

At this point all Tywin has to do is ask Jaime if he wants the Mountain fighting Tyrion's champion or Meryn fucking Trant.

Kreugen · May 12, 2014

I guess there's no way to know from that bit if Oberyn has any idea about Griff or Varys's involvement.

I always felt like Books 1-3 were "Littlefinger plots" and book 4-5 were "... and here's what Varys was up to" and the show isn't changing that much.

Lenas · May 12, 2014

Seems like "Only Cat..." is going to be episode 7, eh?

Needless · May 12, 2014

I just realized the duel isn't going to be next week. I'm so sad now

chaos · May 12, 2014

Needless_sl said:
Bro, I think you and a lot of others give Tywin way too much credit. If "he is Tywin" why can't he still do something about this? Why does the trial by combat still take place? Why doesn't he FORCE Jaime to be his heir in the first place? Why didn't he just control everything from the beginning?

He's a powerful character-but he's still a man, and men have limits.

And those limits include having Cersei fuck up all of his plans, the entire future of his family? I doubt it. Of course he has limits but I really doubt this is it, and that he would sit by knowing that Cersei being petulant was in effect ending his line.

Evernothing · May 12, 2014

Needless · May 12, 2014

chaos_sl said:
And those limits include having Cersei fuck up all of his plans, the entire future of his family? I doubt it. Of course he has limits but I really doubt this is it, and that he would sit by knowing that Cersei being petulant was in effect ending his line.

I still don't get your argument though, say Tywin decides to do what you said. They rig the fight and completely undermine Cersei's accusation. Then what? She resents Tyrion even more, and now she absolutely hates her father. Then what does he do when she goes full on psychopath for not geting her way?

Or, he lets that situation play through, best case scenario: Tyrion wins and he's free, the mountain dies, cersei at least tried but failed, jaime renounces the kingsguard and becomes the heir to the lannisters as promised. (Tywin wins)
worst case: Tyrion loses, is condemned and Tywin allows him to take the black in exchange for Jaime renouncing the kingsguard etc. Cersei gets her vengeance and tywin gets what he wanted out of Jaime. (Tywin wins)

and the actual worst case scenario that you would not even remotely factor in: Tyrion loses, varys and jaime free tyrion, tyrion kills you while you're trying to take a shit thats literally rotting you from the inside. (Tylose)

Soygen · May 12, 2014

Needless_sl said:
I still don't get your argument though, say Tywin decides to do what you said. They rig the fight and completely undermine Cersei's accusation. Then what? She resents Tyrion even more, and now she absolutely hates her father. Then what does he do when she goes full on psychopath for not geting her way?

Or, he lets that situation play through, best case scenario: Tyrion wins and he's free, the mountain dies, cersei at least tried but failed, jaime renounces the kingsguard and becomes the heir to the lannisters as promised. (Tywin wins)
worst case: Tyrion loses, is condemned and Tywin allows him to take the black in exchange for Jaime renouncing the kingsguard etc. Cersei gets her vengeance and tywin gets what he wanted out of Jaime. (Tywin wins)

and the actual worst case scenario that you would not even remotely factor in: Tyrion loses, varys and jaime free tyrion, tyrion kills you while you're trying to take a shit thats literally rotting you from the inside. (Tylose)

You should make this post in the NO SPOILER thread.

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