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Lol at your fucking retarded "mind your own business" argument. Jeez you are fucking retarded. I mean honestly I've ignored most of your posts, but I have to believe this is a new level of stupid for you. Full retard, etc.
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Tuco
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Okay I understand.
And I completely disagree. It's perfectly legitimate for someone to talk shit about a neighboring state or event another country when they pass dumb laws. That you need to come up with a bad metaphor that somehow pretends another state is equivalent to another house further shows the inadequacy of your idea.
I think Aychamo is correct, and you really don't need to try this hard to find a reason to attack aychamo. If I were you I'd focus on his idiotic insulting of 'libtards'.
Gavinmad
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My annoyance stems from his continued instance that THE GOVERNMENT is coming to take your guns. Even if a state bans the guns in that state, they're not coming for HIS guns, because he doesn't live in that state. He can complain all he wants, but unless he has voting power in a state that's voting on gun control, his complaints aren't worth shit.
I understand the point, but the point would have more effect if what's being done is illegal or unconstitutional. As far as I know no one is making that argument -- we just think the laws being passed are stupid and pointless. But hey, if Colorado or New York wants to overreact, by all means.
Tuco
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Show me where someone on this forum who lives out side of NY/CO etc is saying "CO passed this law and now CO is coming from my guns", otherwise I think you're ignoring a man's argument and are replacing it with your own hyperbole so it's easier for you to argue it. More simply: You're building strawmen.
opiate82
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Some state governments follow in the footsteps of other states. WA already has a terrible "AWB Ban" in the works and I don't want them pointing to CO and what they passed/are trying to pass to rally support for it. And most state government officials are still members of national parties and derive their agendas from said political parties.
If you really, really want me to find it, I can dig through the previous 20 pages and find the examples later for you.
Tuco
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Please do, but I can guarantee you that nobody outside of a state is afraid of that state taking away their guns. You might be able to find more complex fears, but that's not the fear you've stated Aychamo has continued insistence of.
khalid
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What we HAVE said is that another state taking away rights DOES effect us indirectly. Like how if Illinois passed a ban, i could no longer spend weekends shooting at my dads. Or how his entire collection, his collection that he will one day leave to me, could suddenly be illegal or require registration. Or how I currently cannot go to NY and shoot with my friends there.
However, NO ONE has said in this thread that the law in NY means they will come into MO and take my guns. Thats flat out bullshit coming out of your imagination.
However, NO ONE has said in this thread that the law in NY means they will come into MO and take my guns. Thats flat out bullshit coming out of your imagination.
Sure, I'll do my best. I traced it back, and I think this would be a good place to start. So my original response is here:
This is my response to the people pointing their fingers at one gun nut, Feinstein, as a harbringer of the coming revival of the Federal AWB. This is me saying that a Fed AWB will never happen.
Khalid's response to my assertion that a Federal AWB would not come to pass:
Phoenix's response to that above quoted post, citing a STATE ban to refute my argument that a FEDERAL ban would never occur:
Khalid's response to my assertion that a FED awb would not pass, by, again, citing a STATE action:
Me telling people to calm the fuck down, because this is a STATE action by NY, and not a FEDERAL action that would affect everyone:
And this is what you're looking for: Aychomo stating that because they ban AWBs in New York, it is the first shot in a trend that would inevitably infringe on EVERYONE's rights, regardless of what state you live in.
Another nugget, that argues against a point i never made. I made the point that a Fed AWB would never occur. He strawmans and says that i made the argument that a STATE would never pass an AWB -- a contention i never made.
I'll leave you to decide who's strawmaning who.
khalid
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Not a SINGLE THING you quoted has anyone saying that we fear one state coming to another state to take our guns. Good job proving yourself wrong.
What we were saying is that a state passing a ban (even when you aren't in that state) is something that everyone should get concerned about.
What we were saying is that a state passing a ban (even when you aren't in that state) is something that everyone should get concerned about.
That's because I'm responding to Tuco's request, not yours. Shut the fuck up. The point is not one state's ban would result in that state coming to your state to take your guns. The point is that you people think one state's ban will have any effect in YOUR state.
Tuco
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I'll accept that you're admitting being wrong here, Soy, but whether you acknowledge it is irrelevant at this point because you bring up a more important and debatable argument: Whether a state implementing an AWB is an indication that a federal level AWB is more likely than people thought a few months ago. I'd say yes. When states start banning things people should be more concerned about a federal ban. It's not proof that it'll happen, but it's information that indicates it could.
I'm not big on snowball arguments but this isn't a change in idea or severity, going from state to federal is simply a change in scope.
I'm not big on snowball arguments but this isn't a change in idea or severity, going from state to federal is simply a change in scope.
khalid
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As soon as you stop quoting me and then saying I'm saying something I clearly am not.
I mean, jesus, do you rant at the ACLU when they get upset at state laws that infringe freedom of speech? Do you get mad at Planned Parenthood if they get upset at state laws also? The issues are fucking linked, whether a state takes away our rights or the federal government does, its the same goddamn thing, and some of us aren't so selfish that we only care about ourselves. I care if people in other states get fucked over also.
So you shut the fuck up.
See, when you say something like this, then you're making an entirely different argument -- that what is being passed is either 1) illegal, or 2) unconstitutional, as opposed to just being STUPID. So before we go anywhere else, explain to me what exactly your position is. Are you saying that these state bans are UNCONSTITUTIONAL ? Or are you just saying that they are STUPID and INEFFECTIVE ?
A BAD/STUPID/INEFFECTIVE law that does not affect you really gives you no right to complain. But an ILLEGAL/UNCONSTITUTIONAL law that infringes on rights of fellow Americans, DOES. Hence, why I don't complain then the ACLU jump in to protect constitutional rights of other citizens.
khalid
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Your argument so far has been that it shouldn't matter what the state passes, since it doesn't effect us. Glad you are moving on past that and agree that it does matter.
As for my opinion on the NY law, yes I believe it is unconstitutional, stupid and ineffective. It is clearly stupid given the provision where you can possess a 10 round magazine but can only load it with 7 (as if a criminal will obey this when heading for a bank heh). It won't effect gun violence much if at all (almost all crimes are done with handguns), it shows a clear misunderstanding of guns themselves (like not understanding that a mini-14 is as deadly as an ar-15), and it is unconstitutional in my opinion.
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Right now there's a man serving prison time in New York for having an illegal handgun in New York. He's not from New York city so why should their laws bother him?
He was on a plane going from state X and state Y where his checked handgun was legal in both states. His plane made an emergency landing and he had to recheck his luggage to go back home. Arrested and sentenced to prison. It's been appealed but I think it's been 3 years now and no word yet.
He was on a plane going from state X and state Y where his checked handgun was legal in both states. His plane made an emergency landing and he had to recheck his luggage to go back home. Arrested and sentenced to prison. It's been appealed but I think it's been 3 years now and no word yet.
Tuco
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Any source for this?
"A BAD/STUPID/INEFFECTIVE law that does not affect you really gives you no right to complain." -Soy
I disagree completely and think you and I can't come to terms on this. Constitutionality does not define whether a state law could affect me.
khalid
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Borzak, are you sure he is currently in jail?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...supreme-court/seems to indicate he got out after 10 days, but his gun was held for 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, its still completely fucked up and shows that you shouldn't just be worried about your own state. However, lets keep to the facts so people don't nitpick and miss the broader point.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...supreme-court/seems to indicate he got out after 10 days, but his gun was held for 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, its still completely fucked up and shows that you shouldn't just be worried about your own state. However, lets keep to the facts so people don't nitpick and miss the broader point.