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Dumb parents and dumb kid.http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/12...medium=twitter

KEARNS, Utah (CBS Las Vegas/AP) - District officials say a Utah sixth-grader was taken into police custody after bringing a gun to West Kearns Elementary School.

Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley tells The Salt Lake Tribune the 11-year-old boy hinted that he brought the gun Monday to defend himself if there were a shooting similar to one last week in Newtown, Conn. KSTU-TV reports the boy told classmates that his parents gave him the gun to bring to school for protection.

Horsley says two classmates reported the gun to a teacher about 45 minutes before school let out. District officials say the teacher "immediately apprehended the student," and Granite District Police responded shortly after.

Horsley tells KSL an unloaded gun and ammunition were found in the boy's backpack.

Some witnesses have reported the student pointed a gun at another child's head, but Horsley says police haven't confirmed the accounts.

"At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me," sixth-grader Isabel Rios told KSTU.
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I'd be happy about this if they focused on every day handgun violence, instead of irrelevant bullshit like some kids getting killed at a school.
 
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I read that it took 20 minutes for the police to get to the school. Any weapon can do that much damage in 20 minutes.
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Really? Let's look at the statistics.http://www.slate.com/articles/health...shootings.html

Officials haven't said exactly how many bullets Lanza used. But from information they've leaked or released so far, you can do a rough calculation. According to the Hartford Courant's sources, Lanza fired at least three 30-round magazines. Wayne Carver, Connecticut's chief medical examiner, says Lanza pumped three to 11 bullets into each of the seven children Carver examined. If you average that rate across the 20 dead kids, it adds up to 140 bullets. That's not counting the six rounds Lanza used to blow open the front doors, or any of the bullets he spent on teachers. We're already talking more than 150 shots. And we haven't even started counting the misses.
Let's say Lanza fired 200 rounds. That's 20 per minute, or one every three seconds. And that's not accounting for the time he spent moving from room to room. At one point, the Courant reports, six kids tried to flee a classroom he had entered. Lanza mowed them all down, which is hard to do unless your weapon is very fast.
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Already we have evidence that Lanza was only able to kill as many as he did because he had a weapon that could fire a bullet every 3 seconds.

Look at the killers who caused 10 or more fatalities. They're the top 14 on the list. No. 6 on the list, Charles Whitman, spent 96 minutes in a tower at the University of Texas, picking off his victims with a sniper rifle. Nobody's sure how many bullets he fired. No. 7, Tim Kretschmer, used 112 rounds during a three-hour spree. No. 8, Marc Lepine, reportedly started with 100 rounds and had 60 left after his 20-minute rampage. Numero 9, the team of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, spent 188 rounds during their 47-minute assault on Columbine High School. No. 10, Farda Gadirov, took 15 minutes to kill his victims; he was found with 71 unspent bullets, but nobody seems to know how many he discharged. No. 11, Wellington Menezes de Oliveira, fired 60 shots or so in 20 minutes. Nos. 12 and 13, Bai Ningyang and Walter Seifert, didn't use firearms, but No. 15 did: Matti Saari took about 90 minutes to expend nearly 200 rounds.
On average, these killers fired a little more than two bullets per minute. If you read narrative reports about their crimes, you'll find that many of them methodically hunted and terrorized their victims. In a sick way, they were leisure killers.
The top five guys on the list are a different story. No. 1, Andrew Philip Kehoe, murdered 38 children with an explosive blast. No. 2, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 30 people in 11 minutes at Virginia Tech, using 174 rounds. No. 3, Lanza, killed 20 kids and six adults in 10 minutes, using what we've ballparked as 200 rounds. No. 4, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 children and a teacher at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland by firing 105 rounds in three to four minutes. No. 5, Robert Steinhauser, dispatched 13 teachers, two students, and a cop with 71 rounds in 10 minutes.
For these five, the math looks different. The shooters fired, on average, slightly more than 17 rounds per minute. (I'm setting aside Kehoe, whose 38 simultaneous casualties would inflate the kill rate.) These men weren't looking for drawn-out terror. They were trying to inflict as much lethal damage as possible. They were volume killers. They racked up grotesque body counts not through superior accuracy or by having more time, but by spraying more metal. The 10 or 11 bullets Lanza pumped into some of his victims tells you all you need to know.
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Obviously there are two approaches here. Make sure that people cannot fire multiple rounds a second and train police to engage immediately, thus lowering the time a shooter has free reign. Prevention of course is ideal, but these are the tactical changes that can have the immediate impact
 
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How is that a megalomaniacal delusion? Do you even know what megalomania is? .
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yes I do know what it means, It fits the bandwagon way people argue for gun control perfectly.


Megalomania is a psychopathological disorder characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence. 'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs


The majority of people vastly overestimate their ability to make consequential choices for others. Often they portray themselves that they know the right way to force people to do things, which I consider abhorrent. I advocate the opposite for the most part, I'm for freedom of choice that you are responsible for yourself and your property and that you shouldn't rely on Father(government) who "knows better". it just feeds into politicians megalomania, people who mimic and use the same arguments have the same root phantasy in their head, the difference is they have no real power, for them it is more like rooting for a sports team and feeds into peoples natural tribal instincts to be part of a team.

This is the deep seeded root cause of what is sometimes referred to as the liberal mind disease (also known as the enlightenment virus)
 
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Ko Dokomo_sl said:
Already we have evidence that Lanza was only able to kill as many as he did because he had a weapon that could fire 3 bullets a second.
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So 17 rounds per minute is now 3 rounds per second? I guess in addition to knowing nothing about firearms, you know nothing about math either.
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
So 17 rounds per minute is now 3 rounds per second? I guess in addition to knowing nothing about firearms, you know nothing about math either.
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It isn't that he does not know math, it is that he mistook 1 bullet every three seconds to be 3 bullets a second.
 
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Yes, I read the sentence wrong. It is a bullet every 3 seconds. Of course that does not take into account his travel time between rooms, breaking into the school, etc. Regardless, the second part I quoted shows how the speed of the weapon, as well as time available, makes shootings deadlier. My reply to Merlin is absolutely correct, there are many, many weapons where you would not be able to kill someone as fast. Aychamo says he could stab someone in 10 seconds, but he'll probably need 3-5 stabs to ensure death. In those 30 seconds everyone in the room is going to be gone or on top of him trying to take him out, and now he will have to waste time fighting someone or hunting people down.
 
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The point is someone could take any regular rifle, shotgun or revolver and inflict the same amount of damage in 20 minutes. An "assault weapons" ban doesn't prevent these things from happening.
 
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Yes, I read the sentence wrong. It is a bullet every 3 seconds.
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So now that you've corrected your mistake do you agree then that a guy with a few handguns could very easily enter a school and kill a large number of children?
 
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Yes, I read the sentence wrong. It is a bullet every 3 seconds. Of course that does not take into account his travel time between rooms, breaking into the school, etc. Regardless, the second part I quoted shows how the speed of the weapon, as well as time available, makes shootings deadlier. My reply to Merlin is absolutely correct, there are many, many weapons where you would not be able to kill someone as fast. Aychamo says he could stab someone in 10 seconds, but he'll probably need 3-5 stabs to ensure death. In those 30 seconds everyone in the room is going to be gone or on top of him trying to take him out, and now he will have to waste time fighting someone or hunting people down.
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So you want to ban all guns then? Because I can fire a Glock 17 just as fast as someone can fire an AR-15. Granted, I'm probably going to have more woundings and fewer kills with a 9mm vs a 5.56, and I'll also have to reload more frequently, so lets drop my kill count by 50%. Oh look, I still just killed 13 people. To say nothing of the fact that I could potentially smuggle a glock + ammo into a much juicier target than someone could get an AR16 into, or the fact that I could carry multiple pistols to cut down on some of my reloads.
 
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A few handguns? No, it would still be very difficult.

At one point, the Courant reports, six kids tried to flee a classroom he had entered. Lanza mowed them all down, which is hard to do unless your weapon is very fast.
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A semi-auto handgun would make that feat much more difficult. In addition, there would be longer stretches of reloading and more time for his prey to flee. Im sure the deaths would still have been in the double digits but there would have been fewer. Any improvement that makes it harder to commit these crimes should be looked at.
 
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Ko Dokomo_sl said:
A few handguns? No, it would still be very difficult.



A semi-auto handgun would make that feat much more difficult. In addition, there would be longer stretches of reloading and more time for his prey to flee. Im sure the deaths would still have been in the double digits but there would have been fewer.
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Why do you keep posting stuff like this when you obviously don't know a thing about pistols or rifles?

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Any improvement that makes it harder to commit these crimes should be looked at.
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So I take it you think the TSA is a resounding success as a preventative against terrorism?
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
Why do you keep posting stuff like this when you obviously don't know a thing about pistols or rifles?
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I'm sorry. I was unaware that you had to be an expert to discuss things on the internet.

Seriously though, you just agreed with me in the post above. It would reduce deaths if Lanza only had handguns. Now you're shitting on me for agreeing with you?
 
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These were 6 year old kids being shot at close range when they had nowhere to run. In this scenario, the types of gun do not matter too much. I see three points at which the kids could of been saved:

The guy did not decide to go and kill children.
The guy has no access to any sort of gun.
Or the guy could not get into the classrooms due to school security.

I can count the number of times I have fired rifles on one hand, and I have the world's worst aim with a handgun. Yet even I could kill 6 year olds from 10 feet with any type of gun.
 
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Ko Dokomo_sl said:
I'm sorry. I was unaware that you had to be an expert to discuss things on the internet.

Seriously though, you just agreed with me in the post above. It would reduce deaths if Lanza only had handguns. Now you're shitting on me for agreeing with you?
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Let me make sure I understand your position correctly. You don't care about the 15000 handgun murders a year, but you think that rare, isolated events involving a rifle are cause for legislation.

Thumbs High!
 
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