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Amzin

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10-mana cards are nearly universally unplayable. Only Deathwing, which literally clears the board and then gives you a 12/12, has ever been played, and then only in extreme niche situations like one rare variation of control warrior. C'Thun will be played because everyone will want to make those decks, but they'll never see tournament play or any consistent high-level ladder presence. You cannot make a deck out of uniformly bad minions that you would never play based on their stats (with like one or two potential exceptions like the cheap one with the 2-damage battlecry) and then a single 10-drop legendary that comprises the entire foundation of the deck which then completely falls apart if you don't draw C'Thun in time to eke out a shaky turn 10 win after a game of playing vanilla-statted minions with no deathrattles or any other redeeming features aside from maybe the druid one with taunt. There's no rational reason why such a deck should be viable.
There's a bunch of points to argue with in your post but this is just straight up silly. The only two true 10-cost minions ARE Deathwing and Varian Wrynn and both have seen play. Actually Varian more seriously than Deathwing. Frost Giant and Sea Giant start at 10 but almost never cost that. A ton of 9-costs are played (including ones people initially thought were unplayable like Icehowl) and are almost comparable, although not quite, to the new 10-cost monstrosities.
 

Gavinmad

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The fact that warlock is still going to be able to do fuckloads of damage from hand when they've nerfed almost every other form of burst is pretty goddamn gay. Playing zoo for the first month or two should be an easy ticket to legendary.
 

Brand

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I'm going to monkey with some Maly decks...There is always room to go , "BOOM! You're dead." out of nowhere.
 

Mures

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There's a bunch of points to argue with in your post but this is just straight up silly. The only two true 10-cost minions ARE Deathwing and Varian Wrynn and both have seen play. Actually Varian more seriously than Deathwing. Frost Giant and Sea Giant start at 10 but almost never cost that. A ton of 9-costs are played (including ones people initially thought were unplayable likeIcehowl) and are almost comparable, although not quite, to the new 10-cost monstrosities.
Wut? Literally the only time I've seen icehowl played is when he was gotten from an unstable portal.

And varian did see play and was found to be pretty bad, before today when I played a reno warrior mirror I hadn't seen him in weeks/months and varian was one of the reasons he fatigued 6 turns before me and I won with a ~5 card advantage.
 

Amzin

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Icehowl is used in a couple Reno decks, including one of the more popular Renolocks for a brief period, although I rarely saw it myself. And my point was that he called out Deathwing as the only played 10 mana when there's only 1 other one and it honestly probably saw more play for a while.

Varian and Deathwing are just single cards at the tail-end of a deck to try and make a big swing out of nowhere. C'Thun and company are going to have decks built AROUND them. Will they be any good? Who knows at this point. I think there's a lot of potential there. But losing GvG and Naxx and some of the most powerful cards in the game, along with nerfs to some of the most ubiquitous staples, leaves the whole thing too shaken up to call with any hint of realism.
 

Neki

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I am actually really concerned with this card in Arena

Arena specialists such as Kripp and Hafu agree that this card is busted. I mean, when your opponent drops this on turn 4 or coin this out on turn 3, how the fuck are you going to deal with it? This minion will rape all your minions that you've already played and will play for the next few turns. Removal is scarce in Arena so it is really difficult to kill this guy. Mages cannot even use fireball to remove him. You are going to have to trade multiple minions into it. This card can just so easily dominate you if played on curve and continue to snowball out of control. It's a fuckingCOMMONtoo. Holy shit.

Couple this card with the other great new cards for Shaman, I honestly think that Shamans have leaped from bottom tier into top tier in Arena. I know that Shamans needed help in Arena but they have gone way too far imo. Blizzard so retarded.
 

Gavinmad

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Icehowl is used in a couple Reno decks, including one of the more popular Renolocks for a brief period, although I rarely saw it myself. And my point was that he called out Deathwing as the only played 10 mana when there's only 1 other one and it honestly probably saw more play for a while.

Varian and Deathwing are just single cards at the tail-end of a deck to try and make a big swing out of nowhere. C'Thun and company are going to have decks built AROUND them. Will they be any good? Who knows at this point. I think there's a lot of potential there. But losing GvG and Naxx and some of the most powerful cards in the game, along with nerfs to some of the most ubiquitous staples, leaves the whole thing too shaken up to call with any hint of realism.
Uh, if you're playing Varian you definitely build the deck around him, lol.
 

Arbitrary

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Yesterday or the day before I was watching a bit of Xixo grinding to rank 1 legend with a dude heavy warrior deck. It had a Varian in it and he managed to get rank 1.
 

Loyang_sl

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Varian is actually used in a very competitive warrior deck at the moment. This deck below is the one that got me to rank 5 this month rather quickly. I started using it after seeing Xixo play it when he was top 10 legend early this week.

2 x execute
2 x whirlwind
2 x slam
2 x battle rage
2 x armorshith
2 x cruel task
2 x fiery war axe
2 x acolyte
2 x fierce monkey
1 x dread corsair
2 x deaths bite
2 x shredder
2 x sludge
Sylvannas / Cairne / harrison
Boom
Grommash
Ragnaros
Variann

The only terrible match up to this deck is Patron warrior. I forgot, control warrior is also not a good match up, unless you can manage to kill them really quick.
 

Amzin

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You don't build a deck around Varian (or Deathwing) the same way you will look to build one around C'Thun. A closer comparison would be Maly, probably.
 

Gavinmad

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Varian is actually used in a very competitive warrior deck at the moment. This deck below is the one that got me to rank 5 this month rather quickly. I started using it after seeing Xixo play it when he was top 10 legend early this week.

2 x execute
2 x whirlwind
2 x slam
2 x battle rage
2 x armorshith
2 x cruel task
2 x fiery war axe
2 x acolyte
2 x fierce monkey
1 x dread corsair
2 x deaths bite
2 x shredder
2 x sludge
Sylvannas / Cairne / harrison
Boom
Grommash
Ragnaros
Variann

The only terrible match up to this deck is Patron warrior. I forgot, control warrior is also not a good match up, unless you can manage to kill them really quick.
lol the deck is trash. Xixo must have gotten a ridiculous streak of lucky matches.
 

Amzin

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The only thing we can say for sure about the WotoG Standard meta is that in a month people will be complaining about how stale and boring it is :p
 

Loyang_sl

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It matches really well against aggro.
-5 taunts
-2 WW to deal with muster/implosion
- lots of card draw
-6 cards that can be comboed with execute
-good endgame and lots of way to proc gromm's enrage
- varian is usually not what is going to win you the game but it does serve as a sort of last resort when you are behind since it can put a taunt minion / gromm / rag on board and allow you to survive one more turn or win you the game straight away.

Gavin, you should try playing the deck for more than a few games before calling it trash. Or please enlighten me by telling me how it is trash