Hearthstone

Uh...ok?


I mean, it fits the warlock zoo theme and you get 6/6 worth of stats for 5 mana...just seems too expensive. Also, not sure what would be cut to make room a 5 mana spell. Forbidden Summoning still likely better.

Ravishing said:

Part of the fun with card games like this is the deck building. If you're not focused on being competitive and you also don't enjoy deck building then the game probably won't hold your interest much longer.

Since you already admit to not enjoy deckbuilding, give a run toward Legend a shot imo. It requires a lot more patience and skill. Knowing what to play and when and at what ranks. And also making few mistakes. I've yet to reach Legend myself, but it's never been a main goal of mine. I have more fun theorycrafting decks and playing non-meta cards.

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I'd enjoy deckbuilding more if I could coherently trace failures(and wins?) back to concrete causes. So much of this game is RNG that it obfuscates marginal data. On top of that, at what sample size do you start making that judgement of what cards to tweak?

Warrior has its counters in hunter and secret paladin. On top of that, it's not just one warrior deck but many. Honestly, what's a better meta than this?

These board flood cards for warlock, wtf. That card will see play for sure. Doesn't have charge, but 6/6 compared to 5/7 doomguard, great synergy with Councilman, more resilient against whirlwinds.

Main question is can Zoo fit 2 of this or will it be a one-of. Zoo has so many iterations that I'm sure we'll see 0,1, and 2 of this played and all 3 options being legit.

Deathwing said:

I'd enjoy deckbuilding more if I could coherently trace failures(and wins?) back to concrete causes. So much of this game is RNG that it obfuscates marginal data. On top of that, at what sample size do you start making that judgement of what cards to tweak?

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I only make bad decks so identifying what pieces to replace is not my expertise. Only advice I have is from streamers who usually say, "Would you rather have X in hand than Y?".

As an example: If I'm staring at a Shield Block in my hand, would I prefer to have Bash instead for this situation? If answer is Yes more than No then you probably want to swap it out.

Another example is the Ragnaros vs Barron Geddon scenario. When board is easily flooded and sticky Baron Geddon became the better option. Now with less flood Ragnaros is reigning supreme again. You're going to have situations where Geddon is better, but you'll want Ragnaros more often.

I think how much fun you'll have deck building is very dependent on why you play in the first place.

If the only goal is to rank as high as possible, deck building isn't as fun...because the really good optimized deck are already out there. Just get one of those netdecks and they will generally be far better than anything you'll come up with.

If like me, you don't really care about ranking up, but are happy in the 15-10 range, than deck building is fun in my opinion. At this rank, you'll see a few non-standard decks, or netdecks that are not played well. So your less than optimized deck will win you enough games that you stay more or less where you are and still have fun.

The really fun part for me, is to have answer people don't expect, or win condition that take people by surprise, or play a card that's rarely played...and that one in 5 times it actually work.

It just makes the game less predictable and more fun in my opinion. I hate the very high rank, because there is very rarely any surprise. You know what the other is playing, he knows what you're playing...even in Hearthstone where RNG is king, it's too predictable.

VS numbers disagree. It's slightly favored vs midrange hunter and even versus most warrior archetypes. Its only weaknesses are slightly unfavorable matchups versus shaman(midrange and aggro) and c'thun warrior.

It's probably the most consistent across-the-board deck atm, but probably not the easiest to play.

Taho said:

Do you guys agree with Tempostorm that Token Druid is a T1 deck in the current meta? I personally don't see it. It loses to Zoo, Tempo Dragon War, and Hunter. The three of which are all over the ladder. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I know people have had success climbing with it, but currently it doesn't seem like a good choice.

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It's not unfavored heavily against any deck. It's a 50% winrate deck at worst case, maybe 40% in some extreme cases. It's not like Freeze mage vs Warrior where mage has a 10% chance or some crap.

Druid ramp means they always have a chance to get free wins, even against the worst cases.

*shrug*, don't tell us, tell them:

http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/matchup-chart-data-reaper-report/

Deathwing said:

*shrug*, don't tell us, tell them:

http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/matchup-chart-data-reaper-report/

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yup, pretty much what I said. Against Hunter it's 46-48% according to that site.. If Druid takes board early Hunter doesn't stand a chance. Ramp is very important against the faster decks, against slow decks you want to save resources and wait for monster turns.