Heroes of the Storm

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Draegan_sl said:
I said the game is more like WOW BGs in the context that they are all MOBAs. But go ahead and keep thinking the way you do.
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Thats cool, and I'm saying even in that context you and dandain are wrong.

Skrala_sl said:
What a stupid fucking argument this is. Every person I've talked to who's played HoTS has made the moba/BG hybrid comparison, it's not like it's some wacky opinion. Saying that is not an insult to HoTS in any way, shape or form; it's just a statement to describe the difference between HoTS and traditional mobas.
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Having a basic understanding of battlegrounds and playing hots I can say it is a wacky opinion. It is not an insult to HotS in any way, shape, or form; but if someone asked me what HotS was like/played like battlegrounds would be the furthest thing on my mind because the two are so completely different you can not compare the two. Telling someone, who is at least somewhat familiar with mobas, it is essentially the same thing is blatantly misinforming them, my point was only to clear that up for the person asking about the game.

This is a forum for discussion, not everything has to be an argument, would you rather we all just say "right on bro!" every post so no actual conversation ever comes up?
 
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Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. There's obviously a large group of people who see the similarities between the team based objectives of WoW BGs and HoTS. I'd wager most of those people have actually played WoW along with LoL/Dota/HoTS (except Draegan, lol).
 
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I played a ton of WoW BGs TBC era and it plays and acts nothing like it. They could have changed it a touch since I last played but with the absence of leveling/skilling to counter your opponents team it is a very shallow comparison.
 
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Not only the absence of lvling, but the entire absence of two opposing bases with lanes dynamics is missing. And dandain simplifying it to, "but its only the things that got you there that matter" is no different of that of lol/dota. He is saying you can "win the map" and thats all that matters, that is no different from saying you can win every red/blue/baron buff uncontested and "win the map" in lol. My example of outright stealing a game from my opponent is no different than someone making the mistake of giving up their base for baron buff in lol. Of course it is a mistake by the opposing team, no one intentionally loses the game, but you can't dominate someone in ctf for 20 minutes outscoring them 20 to 1 and then make one mistake allowing the other team one capture worth 20 points and instantly winning the game. There is no comparison between hots and battlegrounds.
 
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Heh sounds like a game I had yesterday on Blackheart's. For whatever reason my team decided to just fuck the objective and push the bottom lane. We took the three forts and core while the other team capped the objective like 3 times in the process. We proceeded to win ... somehow. They kept sending like 1 hero to try and defend our 4man push which didn't help. Objectives are great and everything but if you lose your core in the process turns out they aren't that good.
 
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I don't understand the tunnel vision on Blackheart's Bay. I played two games yesterday where people just wanted to team fight and turn in coins and let the cannonballs win the game. I don't think many people notice that the cannonballs prioritize structures from outside to inside with the core having the least priority. You literally have to take out every single tower and fort before the cannonballs will target the core. These games go almost 30 minutes when they could've been won in 20.
 
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I think people are nervous of pushing in general in the game. It seems unless you are a standard solo push hero or escorted by knights no one wants to push. Towers don't really do too much damage once you have a decent HP pool. I think it just goes back to everyone being told objectives are paramount in this game. And yeah some are and some aren't. Tributes/Dragon? Yeah worth it. Mines/Blackheart? Nice if you can get them but not required.
 
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So Tyrael can get two path blocking abilities, on both Q and E. I haven't tried it yet, but if you get both, you could steal merc camps by Q-teleporting onto the pad and then using E to push them further away after the enemy clears the camp for you. Kinda situational, but it seems like it'd be a fun thing to try.

The idea comes fromthis Reddit threadsuggesting the play with Tassadar's Force Wall.
 
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I've stolen a few merc camps in my day with etc. Powerslide in and 'e' w/face melt+loud speakers them out. Its actually not that difficult, but depending on how many people are there you sacrifice yourself for the merc camp, which is never a good trade, but its pretty awesome when it all works out, especially if it turns into a team fight over the merc camp I can knock the enemy team out and cap the camp while team fighting so the mercs join in also.
 
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Yeah I think the reason Tassadar is so good at it is because his escape is so good. Still it is very situational.
 
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Nah, pretty sure they haven't said anything other than anticipate there could be several more wipes throughout testing. And then there is no telling if they will wipe again between an open beta, which is still a long ways away it seems, and release. That would be sweet if there are no wipes in beta.
 
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mures_sl said:
Nah, pretty sure they haven't said anything other than anticipate several more wipes throughout testing. And then there is no telling if they will wipe again between an open beta, which is still a long ways away it seems, and release.
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They've said beta progress will continue into actual release. I'm guessing beta->release will be similar to Hearthstone where it is largely ceremonial.
 
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Wish there were competent streamers for this game. Though I guess hoping your 5man stack all gets in the alpha is asking a bit too much. It seems the popular streamers are just decent players who solo queue to avoid any pre-made.
 
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Is that how queueing works in hots? Solos all get with other solos and duo+ are against other premades?
 
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bixxby_sl said:
Is that how queueing works in hots? Solos all get with other solos and duo+ are against other premades?
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Solo queue doesn't guarantee not running into stacks but it appears that if you have even two people grouped together you have a high likelihood of running into pre mades.
 
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I watch that zp guy and he probably streams like 75/25 solo/pre-made.

Who else is up in dis? We should get a pre-made going and skype or something.
 
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mures_sl said:
I watch that zp guy and he probably streams like 75/25 solo/pre-made.

Who else is up in dis? We should get a pre-made going and skype or something.
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Yeah ZP is far and away the most popular but he isn't anything special. He is very big on blaming his team for basically every loss while I see him fucking up just as much as the people he complains about. He suffers from the same syndrome I have in this game of "We need to be doing this so I'm just going to do it myself" and you get killed 5v1 and wonder why your team is so bad.
 
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