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I could have been good with this. John really was the central figure throughout.
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It's difficult to see how GRRM supported the show's ending when it discarded Jon Snow's prophecy entirely. The show adopted the prophecy from the books and then did nothing with it. I'm not saying the prophecy needed to be true, just that the complete discarding of it after all that buildup was a strange creative decision.
If GRRM had a direct say and supported that, I don't even need Winds of Winter.
If GRRM had a direct say and supported that, I don't even need Winds of Winter.
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Quoting you but this applies to all of the posts in the last page or so.
The Night King is a show only creation, D&D made him up, he doesn't exist in the books.
So no, GRRM wasn't originally planning on doing shit with Jon Snow vs the Night King or any other such malarkey.
They began deviating from the books from the 2nd scene of the pilot episode 1 season 1 and each season it got further and further disconnected from the books. There's hardly any parallels to be drawn. The last thing GRRM told them that they used was how Hodor got his name, which was like late season 6 or season 7? i dont remember. Everything they were told about how the books were going to handle situation X had to be filtered through the TV plot and it was just a tangled mess since nobody is where they are supposed to be, doing what they are supposed to do, half the characters are dead on the show but alive and play pivotal roles in the books (or vice versa)
The original plot outline (which may have changed) revealed the overall structure:
Book 1: War of the roses between the Starks and Lannisters (ie Yorks and Lancasters from british history)
Book 2: While everyone is fighting over what becomes the war of the 5 kings and distracted, a new threat from the east, the last of the dragon lords, descends upon westeros
Book 3: While everyone was distracted by the Invasion of the dragon queen, the real threat, the real enemy this entire time, the army of the dead, descends from the north to end all life.
So originally yeah, Daenerys Targaryan was supposed to sack kings landing before the battle of winterfell with the undead, but we know that changed by book 3 (book 1 became 3 books long by this point) and Danaerys' dragon dream (prophecy like greenseeing, always comes true but not always correctly interpreted) Is that Daenerys will destroy the Other's at a massive battle at the Trident, so we know that the wights and white walkers overrun all of the north and descend down into the riverlands before they are destroyed by dragon fire.
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The show basically ignored everyone's plot development and just had Arya jump out of the darkness like she could have done at any time, prophecy or no prophecy, battle or no battle, Bran or no Bran, Melisandre or no Melisandre, Jon Snow could have died Season 1, Daenerys could have died Season 1, etc. ALL of those storylines were useless and unfulfilled.
Complete idiocy.
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Update on Aegon's Conquest spinoff.
Scripts looking good and near finished. Lead writer is pleased with the results and gave an update.
But the question is what is causing them to make all these poor choices for spinoffs?
First HBO tried to force the Jon Snow sequel (which Kit put his foot down on), now they are going full steam into developing Aegon's Conquest, when FAR more people are interested in Robert's Rebellion. You want a show that can really get Thrones buzz going again like the old days, you do Robert's Rebellion. Not more Targaryen stuff.
If they go through with this Aegon show-- you'll see what Targaryen fatigue looks like ratings-wise.
Scripts looking good and near finished. Lead writer is pleased with the results and gave an update.
But the question is what is causing them to make all these poor choices for spinoffs?
First HBO tried to force the Jon Snow sequel (which Kit put his foot down on), now they are going full steam into developing Aegon's Conquest, when FAR more people are interested in Robert's Rebellion. You want a show that can really get Thrones buzz going again like the old days, you do Robert's Rebellion. Not more Targaryen stuff.
If they go through with this Aegon show-- you'll see what Targaryen fatigue looks like ratings-wise.
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In the Condall era what'll constitute a "Big GoT moment" with dramatic music is when Aegon retires to his tent for the night with 2 funboys while on the campaign trail.
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The Night King was mentioned in the books, they just never introduced him because that fat duck was eating chicken wings and watching the NY Giants.
He was part of the history of the NW, I think a Lord Commander that ended up going north of the wall for some reason. I don't remember what the hell it was about and it's been so long since I've read them, but it's not something that DD made up, but there's a good chance they made up how that whole thing plays out, who the hell knows.
I do know when everybody was still reading the books and they were coming out people were theorizing who the big bad guy was going to be and everybody talked about the night King, because he was in the books.
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the Night's King you are referring to was the 13th lord commander of the Night's Watch who allegedly married a female Other (white walker) and named himself king of the wall, he was killed in a joint war by the King of the North and the king beyond the wall, in the age of heroes like 8000 years ago. After his death they discovered that he had been making human sacrifices to the Others much like Craster was doing with his sons.
he's basically a myth like Lann the Clever and Bran the builder, he isn't anything the fucking do with the Night King from the TV show, which the TV show entirely made up to be able to personify the "bad guy".
There is no big bad guy in the books, no book readers were ever theory crafting this, GRRM himself came out and said as much. you are remembering incorrectly. The other's in the book are a race of ice elves they aren't the TV show thing.
In the books he's a legend to scare children such as old nan's stories she tells bran stark, but specifically it's a literary device to explain two things:
1) Why none of the castles along the Wall have defenses on the southern side, its explained walls on the south side were banned after the war to defeat him, so that no lord commanders could rule as kings of the wall since the king of the north could always lay siege to his holdings and overthrow him if necessary. This is setup for the wildling raid on castle black that jon snow takes part in/defends against, to explain how a few wildlings who climbed the wall were able to siege the castle (it has no defenses on the southern side)
2) that the others are a biological race, they have male and female members, not so much ice corpse necromancers that they ended up becoming in the show. They are basically frost elves
he's basically a myth like Lann the Clever and Bran the builder, he isn't anything the fucking do with the Night King from the TV show, which the TV show entirely made up to be able to personify the "bad guy".
There is no big bad guy in the books, no book readers were ever theory crafting this, GRRM himself came out and said as much. you are remembering incorrectly. The other's in the book are a race of ice elves they aren't the TV show thing.
In the books he's a legend to scare children such as old nan's stories she tells bran stark, but specifically it's a literary device to explain two things:
1) Why none of the castles along the Wall have defenses on the southern side, its explained walls on the south side were banned after the war to defeat him, so that no lord commanders could rule as kings of the wall since the king of the north could always lay siege to his holdings and overthrow him if necessary. This is setup for the wildling raid on castle black that jon snow takes part in/defends against, to explain how a few wildlings who climbed the wall were able to siege the castle (it has no defenses on the southern side)
2) that the others are a biological race, they have male and female members, not so much ice corpse necromancers that they ended up becoming in the show. They are basically frost elves
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