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Sanrith Descartes

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I had a job doing a complete reorg of a pretty big company. I studied all the business units, all the jobs, all the RE holdings...basically everything. This company operated out of two huge main buildings and a large number of off-site essentially zombie real estate holdings. The company was so large it had an on-site motorpool and full time pilots. Different types of union jobs in departments that could do anything. It was more or less a small, self-contained city. The company even had its own track rigs and helicopters. Triple digit # of employees at its peak.

It was purchased by another company whose CEO wanted to make it larger. A new company came along with a fraction of employees and no legacy costs and murdered them.

The result? The old company is entirely GONE. The buildings are empty, and they even sold every inch of copper in that place. All those high paying union jobs are gone. Almost ALL the jobs are gone, and all that is left is a few people in a tiny strip office handling paperwork for outsourcing for the out of state main business. Further, most of those jobs weren't replaced with new outsourced jobs, they were replaced with nothing.

At one point, most of these people were useful to the organization. At the drop of a hat, they weren't. I used to live in a tech hub that had a similar story. Hundreds of giant empty buildings that were once full of well paid people. All those jobs now forever gone to China and India.

Hell, I grew up in a boom town. Once businesses started to unwind and downsize, they all did. Boom turned to permanent bust. All those jobs back into the ether from whence they came.
We have somehow lost sight of running businesses lean and efficiently. Its all bloat and costs just get passed on to the consumer. Its not their money, they don't care about the shareholders, they care about everything but. Small businesses, where the owner is having to make payroll out of his own pocket during a dry spell, understand what it means to question every dollar of cost. Well, the successful ones do.
 

Sanrith Descartes

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Just don't even buy insurance. The best thing Trump did was remove that fucking ludicrous penalty for abstaining from all this. You even alluded to being able to negotiate on your own behalf without insurance.

That's actually the best way to fix all this shit. Maybe even the only way. Old school collective bargaining.
If I were younger I would definitely self insure. I am old enough that I have to look at the percentages. A free bronze plan (after ACA credit), gives me a $9k out of pocket max on a catastrophic hospital stay. For free, why would I not take it and the free cap.
 

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100% agree with you but a couple things I will add. The fearmongering on social media about rate hikes is insane. The numbers they are posting are bullshit. I got my quotes and with the premium tax credit it went up about $150 a month. So yeah it sucks, but its not earth shattering. The other thing I will add is self employed people who get these credits are quite experienced in manipulating their self employed income to take full advantage of the credits. So yes there will be some folks who get raped, but it wont be the large percentage of people the fear mongers are posting about.

Anecdotal observation: I had my annual physical this month and asked the office what my bill would have been if I had no insurance. $120 for the visit and $125 for the full bloodwork. Honestly not bad all things being equal for a once a year type of thing. The vast majority of Americans without health issues and between 20 and 40 should be using high deductible plans. They should be carrying catastrophic health care insurance to cover hospital stays and shit like that. Better to go out of pocket $500 or even 1k a year as needed than be paying 10k a year in premiums out of their paychecks. Having young kids is a different factor and honestly they should be able to get a policy just to cover the young child since the odds are higher of something happening.
Our family plan is just a hair under $30,000/yr and that is with ever climbing deductibles.