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Kirun
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Sure, but they've also produced around 6,000 more commercial aircraft than Airbus. That's over a 1/3 of the entirety of Airbus' production since '74.
I'm not arguing that Boeing is without issues, but people like to pretend that Airbus is squeaky clean.
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If you are flying you have two choices. This isn't like there are a dozen manufacturers and we are discussing only two of them. In a universe of two, go with the one with significantly less planes falling out of the sky. It's doesn't matter if Airbus is not "squeaky clean". Their planes fall out of the sky at a significantly lower rate than BA.
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Kithani
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Citation needed. I would be amazed if the difference was even statistically significant given how extremely rare these events are.
Unless you want to count MH370 or the other Malaysia that Russia shot down I believe the last wide-body aircraft crash was over a decade ago and was the Air France Airbus that arguably would not have crashed had they been using a Boeing style connected yoke system.
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About 50% more per Grok.
Key Findings
Boeing: Approximately 30–40 fatal crashes involving commercial jet airliners from 2005 to 2025, with notable incidents including the Boeing 737 MAX crashes in 2018 (Lion Air Flight 610) and 2019 (Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302).
Airbus: Approximately 15–20 fatal crashes in the same period, with fewer high-profile incidents but notable cases like the 2015 Metrojet Flight 9268 bombing and the 2007 TAM Airlines Flight 3054 crash.
Key Findings
Boeing: Approximately 30–40 fatal crashes involving commercial jet airliners from 2005 to 2025, with notable incidents including the Boeing 737 MAX crashes in 2018 (Lion Air Flight 610) and 2019 (Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302).
Airbus: Approximately 15–20 fatal crashes in the same period, with fewer high-profile incidents but notable cases like the 2015 Metrojet Flight 9268 bombing and the 2007 TAM Airlines Flight 3054 crash.
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Is that all mechanical/software failure though? Pilot error, weather, etc would be good to see
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Who cares about lifetime comparisons. What's the safety difference since dei cock sucking started
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I flew on a commercial flight during that time period. In the 70s and 80s there were still a number of commercial planes that were once military. Not everything then was Boeing or Airbus. One flight I took the back end opened up and a ramp came down which obviously was used for moving things in the military. You walked up and took a seat, any seat and off you went. I once took a short commercial flight with Royal Airlines and the plane had about 20 people on board. It was a gulfstream turbo prop. Same gulfstream I think that got into business jets eventually. Now everything is 737 sized and up for commercial non private stuff, or so it seems.
tugofpeace
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After finding out that Boeing cuts corners on maintenance and practices DEI, I will never fly them again.
Read those incidents, they sound like something you'd expect on an airline called "Ghetto Airlines"
Read those incidents, they sound like something you'd expect on an airline called "Ghetto Airlines"
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Kirun
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Borzak
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I fly a lot less than I used to. Not because of planes crashing or any company that makes them. Airlines have worked hard to make it cheap enough to fly that literally anyone could and did fly. Greyhound in the skies is not a great thing. I did take a flight to Japan because it's hard to drive there lol. Anywhere in the lower 48 is doable driving. I know it is right around 18 hours straight through from my house to the Tetons and 12 hours to the Gila national forest in New Mexico.
I would take a train but I imagine Amtrak is even worse than flying.
But on investing and money. It would be nice to get a mineral paycheck now as the price per barrel of oil is hovering around $75 where it was below $60 not long ago.
I would take a train but I imagine Amtrak is even worse than flying.
But on investing and money. It would be nice to get a mineral paycheck now as the price per barrel of oil is hovering around $75 where it was below $60 not long ago.
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Likely a 727 with the Airstair, these were in quite broad use for a while. Your other assessment is correct, turboprop aircraft have mostly disappeared from passenger service as cost optimization (and regulation) has led design towards the twin jet configuration. Tri-jets like the 727 and DC10/MD11 have been gone from passenger service for over a decade. Even the classic 747 has almost completely disappeared from passenger service (no US airlines operate them anymore). It's a fairly bland landscape these days, you have to start looking at things like window shapes to even tell them apart.
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I’ve flown a number of ATR 72s in SE Asia and Africa. Not super long distance flights. They seem to be popular in these regions for 1-3 hour flights.
interesting - apparently ATR shares tech with airbus. Airbus owns a 50% stake in them
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Yeah they mostly remain in passenger service for small markets and lower cost areas where they haven't been replaced yet. Used to be the best option in the 30-70 seat market but smaller jets have taken over that market. All of the US majors' subbrands like United Express have shifted to jet only fleets. Embraer has grown to a strong player in this segment (which you can buy shares of, to bring this weekend derail back on topic now that markets are about to open again)
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