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Noodleface Noodleface you should negotiate for some scheduling changes if you don't want to haggle salary.

- Four 10's instead of five days a week
- Certain amount of WFH days

Not sure if it's an hourly, like I am salary but stil hourly if that makes sense.
 
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a_skeleton_03 said:
Noodleface Noodleface you should negotiate for some scheduling changes if you don't want to haggle salary.

- Four 10's instead of five days a week
- Certain amount of WFH days

Not sure if it's an hourly, like I am salary but stil hourly if that makes sense.
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If its a defense contractor its hourly salary and by that I mean you legally have to specify the amount of hours you worked on the contract that week. This normally leads to the company stating you can work no more than 40 hours or at least it did when I worked for various Defense Contractors.
 
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Vinen said:
If its a defense contractor its hourly salary and by that I mean you legally have to specify the amount of hours you worked on the contract that week. This normally leads to the company stating you can work no more than 40 hours or at least it did when I worked for various Defense Contractors.
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So then he could negotiate those two things, right?
 
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9/80 and I won't be able to negotiate that - but I'm ok with 9/80... i haven't had a friday off in years

As for WFH it's not going to happen, I already asked about it and they "prefer not to". I'm not too worried about that.

I'll probably be negotiating salary most likely.
 
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If you are happy with salary I'd negotiate vacation. Typically (at least mine ) companies will negotiate one but not both. Every position has a range and even if they offer you towards the top, if they really want you they will give a little more. However, there is definitely an upper limit and (at least for me), I would be honest with you if I couldn't do any better and still let you accept the original offer regardless.

9/80s are really common in defense/aero so its not surprising they are requesting you do them. Working from home is getting a little more popular but still is frowned upon. Just remember that DoD/Aero is very conservative so reluctant to change on these types of things.

Congrats on the offer! Sounds like a good salary to build off and a position that will improve your personal life and professional skills!
 
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LOL at the salary difference - and its friggen MS-SQL.

Most Sys Admin jobs nowadays are improperly called Systems Analysts (like my job) - I admin primarily SCCM and our RemoteApp+VDI environment- previously I was the sole admin for our internal employee Learning Management System (and I was called a Sr. Human Resources Specialist, heh)
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Same here about sccm and vdi(citrix). I volunteered for sql back up responsibilities. After 6 months I told them to fuck off for what they were paying me. I'm going to be a backup for someone who makes 30k more than me, yah no.
 
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RDO, but that could only be with offsite/locations (ctr location). May depend on where the office would be at physically. Seen RDO 4/10s, and 9's with a short day/off day alternating weeks generally restrictive to mondays or fridays. My assumption is physical work being at the contract site not at Raytheon, possible chance will have to plan to take PTO for the Friday after Thanksgiving. Site may be closed.
If given preference, 4/10s with Wed being the off day works great for myself. Hard to get it seems. Great as you never work more than 2 days straight. Can get a ton of things done on that hump day if needed.
 
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The way it was explained to me was they typically work 10 or 9 hour shifts to make up the 80 in 9 days and take every other Friday off, it's pretty much relegated to Fridays and it's the same Fridays for everyone that uses it. Also they employ flex time so you can do more hours one day and less another although im sure that's less than an everyday type thing.
 
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Man, you guys gotta move to the private sector... I'm doing 5 4's and loving life. Don't tell my bosses though.
 
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Lenaldo said:
I work for a second tier aerospace supplier and everything we do is pretty antiquated as well. Most of the problem is that we are audited by individuals who probably haven't been software developers for 30+ years. Thus, they treat software like it was back in the 80s and refuse to trust anything "new". Sometimes I'm surprised they let us use C to be honest. I had to fight to use Git for change control because the DER didn't "trust" (aka have any idea what it is) it. Instead, they want us to use the same code vault they set up in the 90s; which doesn't handle merging. We did start rolling out SCRUM (modified) a year ago, but that too took a pretty intense push as it was a deviation from pure waterfall and made process assurance nervous.

All in all, the slow process driven culture isn't a bad experience to have. Working in aerospace (and I'm sure DoD is similar) you gain a healthy respect for requirements driven code development. Unfortunately the refusal to change and significant paperwork can really ware on a person. It can literally take us a week to make a couple lines of code change since we have to have so many approvals. The benefit of this is it starts to teach you to do a better job validating your requirements so changes to code are minimized. The downside is you are staring at a deadline that requires 1 line of code change, and you have to somehow explain to program management why a 2 min code change will probably take 3 or 4 days to get through the process.
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DoD is a lot like what you described (at least where I am). We just started to use SCRUM on the development side and , personally, I like the process better than waterfall.
 
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Vinen said:
If its a defense contractor its hourly salary and by that I mean you legally have to specify the amount of hours you worked on the contract that week. This normally leads to the company stating you can work no more than 40 hours or at least it did when I worked for various Defense Contractors.
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Completely depends in the contract and it has probably gotten better. If your bosses are good they will tell you do whatever as long as the client it happy.

Also Noodleface Noodleface doesn't matter of you are full-time salaried as it seems like you will be doing work exclusively on contract with the govt since you will be doing work on the zumny. You are at risk of getting the axe when the contracts you support end/aren't re-won.
 
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Lenaldo said:
Working from home is getting a little more popular but still is frowned upon. Just remember that DoD/Aero is very conservative so reluctant to change on these types of things.
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I will say things are much better, but obviusly there is just some work, actually a lot of work people are incapable of doing at home in the defense field. Typically they are very ubderstanding and try to encourage it more often now. Now that may be more regionally specific to the DC metro area right now with mass transit issues.
 
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Completely depends in the contract and it has probably gotten better. If your bosses are good they will tell you do whatever as long as the client it happy.

Also Noodleface Noodleface doesn't matter of you are full-time salaried as it seems like you will be doing work exclusively on contract with the govt since you will be doing work on the zumny. You are at risk of getting the axe when the contracts you support end/aren't re-won.
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Oh I realize that, yes. I don't know if I will be working on the Zumny, that's just one of their major projects they kept talking about - there were others too, some underwater mine detector and some missile system.

I'd like to think I could get laid off any day here too since profits ain't great but I'm the single person in charge for the UEFI BIOS for the company.. this is particularly why I'm a little not excited to tell my boss.
 
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If you work on the DOD top secret and SCI networks there is no way to access those remotely and likely never will be.
 
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Noodleface said:
They told me I need secret clearance and more than likely remote work won't be possible
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Well. Given the reduction in commute time this should be fine for you.
Welcome to voting Republican for the rest of your life.

Here is your member card for the military-industrial complex.
 
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Isn't this like the first time ever where the Democrats look better for defense budgets than Republican?
 
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