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Neranja

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ShakyJake said:
Is this everyone's experience?
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Yes, that is the curse of IT: You get requests and requirements from people who do not know anything how stuff works internally, and suddenly you have to explain why that one simple feature, that looked similar to all the other features that were no problem yet, is suddenly requiring a major architectural restructuring, which of course has to be tested as well.

The worst part of it all is: The time it takes to explain any of this (at least 10 to 15 minutes, but can take up to an hour or so) could be used to actually work on the problem at hand, and sometimes this goes back and forth for a while. Sometimes even explaining it multiple times to different stakeholders and managers at different levels of technical expertise and involvement. Drives me insane.
 
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Noodleface

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Not sure about other companies but product management here does not decide what features we need. They manage the product and the features we deliver.

I basically have free reign to architect what I want and then present it to some stakeholders and then plan it if it all sounds good to them.
 
Kuro

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VP of Sales demands I give him full access to all administration, accounting, finance, and HR folders and databases this morning. Insists he doesn't need permission from anyone because he is a VP and his wife is a 33% company owner, and he has a report to the president due in two days that he needs that access for.

Immediately run to the Company President, there is no report due. They are now yelling while I skittered away to work on printers.
 
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Phazael

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He us lucky you did not go to Legal. SVPs pull shit like that all the time where I work and I have made it very clear that I do nothing without proper vetting. Sure a butthurt suit can fire me for not breaking the rules (or law) but making exceptions like that is how careers get ended.
 
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Kuro

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Yeah, I was like "This sounds like something where I never get another job even remotely close to it/audit/security"
 
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Kuro said:
VP of Sales demands I give him full access to all administration, accounting, finance, and HR folders and databases this morning. Insists he doesn't need permission from anyone because he is a VP and his wife is a 33% company owner, and he has a report to the president due in two days that he needs that access for.

Immediately run to the Company President, there is no report due. They are now yelling while I skittered away to work on printers.
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I would have just demanded he file a ticket for it. Then demand that he has an approval for the HR db from the HR team. Finance and accounting most people won't care about but the HR people actually are good about guarding PII and compensation data. If he was expecting something extra special from you he would have stopped there.
 
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Kuro

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Unfortunately or fortunately we don't have an HR department so all of that information is also handled by the ex-con bookie that is our head of accounting, and she's best friends with the sales VP so she would have just handwaved everything
 
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Kuro

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Phazael said:
Are you working for the mafia or something?
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Kind of, they're one of the old Italian families that ran things in town before their millennial kids turned out lazy bums. Our company Christmas party is at a 100+ year old Italian steakhouse
 
Kithani

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Kind of, they're one of the old Italian families that ran things in town before their millennial kids turned out lazy bums. Our company Christmas party is at a 100+ year old Italian steakhouse
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So… yes?

Edit: weren’t you the guy whose boss played a hentai game? So you work for the Hentai mafia?
 
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Noodleface

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Our org got a 20% budget cut. Absolute bloodbath at the company. This is the worst layoff in company history.

You can guess which region faced the layoffs and which region did not. Tale as old as time.
 
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Haus

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So I officially hit the burnout wall with my current gig today. Nonsense has piled up to the point that ever little additional ask is making me go borderline "ragequit" levels of angry. This is apparently pretty wide spread right now amongst the people in my role and especially the 4+ year tenured "old timers" like me.

Dumped the full Festivus Scale Airing of Grievances with my boss on a call yesterday. Then woke up this morning and was back to pissed off before my morning caffeine had even set in. Told him "I'm about to drop a PTO request, I have to get away and see if I can recalibrate" and he completely agreed. The problem is the other pattern I have seen (and don't know if he's picked up on yet) is that the guys around me are all taking PTO, and over 50% turn in notice the day they get back. heh

Add this to that I am expecting a better job offer from another company on Monday, and I find myself wondering if I can clock a two week vacation to make it to end of July, drop notice the 1st day of August, and then tell them I'm going to a competitor to ensure they let me loose that day. (Since corp policy is to do that, but still pay out the 2 weeks notice).

A tiny part of me in the back of my head says that's not good ethics and playing nice.... then a bigger part of me tells that part :
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Haus said:
So I officially hit the burnout wall with my current gig today. Nonsense has piled up to the point that ever little additional ask is making me go borderline "ragequit" levels of angry. This is apparently pretty wide spread right now amongst the people in my role and especially the 4+ year tenured "old timers" like me.

Dumped the full Festivus Scale Airing of Grievances with my boss on a call yesterday. Then woke up this morning and was back to pissed off before my morning caffeine had even set in. Told him "I'm about to drop a PTO request, I have to get away and see if I can recalibrate" and he completely agreed. The problem is the other pattern I have seen (and don't know if he's picked up on yet) is that the guys around me are all taking PTO, and over 50% turn in notice the day they get back. heh

Add this to that I am expecting a better job offer from another company on Monday, and I find myself wondering if I can clock a two week vacation to make it to end of July, drop notice the 1st day of August, and then tell them I'm going to a competitor to ensure they let me loose that day. (Since corp policy is to do that, but still pay out the 2 weeks notice).

A tiny part of me in the back of my head says that's not good ethics and playing nice.... then a bigger part of me tells that part :
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All I can say is: try to burn as few bridges as you can.
 
Haus

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All I can say is: try to burn as few bridges as you can.
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I know, I've done this dance before unfortunately. But at the same time there's such an exodus going on that I am struggling to see how I'd set the bar any higher in terms of bridge burning.

It will probably end up being a quiet event, where I just meet my boss (who I do actually like) at the office, give him a look that he will know the meaning of, a sentence or two, then hand him my laptop and badge. He already knows all the underlying reasons (as per yesterday's talk), and actually agrees with me that it's become untenable so I know it won't surprise him. At most a quick email up the chain letting the higher ups in the chain if they do really want to know more than the terse generic reasoning they can come to Dallas and I'll be happy to have a sit down with them.

It's at that point where they only people I honestly feel for are my teammates, as I know they will just take everything I'm working on, dump it on everybody else, and call it "balanced" as they are also not approving replacement headcount quickly at all... Figuring by couching this with a vacation up front it gives me a legit chance to get my co workers up to speed on my projects and able to "cover while I'm out" rather than them just getting surprised. "Cover me while I'm on PTO" will just become a "Waiting for Godot" moment....
 
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