Lawyer costs question

Erronius said:

It isn't that there aren't a lot of gotchas involved in deferred adjudication and probation. It's the idea that DAs/Prosecutors are standing there, twirling their mustaches like some sort of courtroom BBEG, as they try to maliciously twist the system to give people as much time as possible.

You do understand that with deferred adjudication and probation, they're opening the door to you either being able to walk away with no conviction, or a conviction but with zero jail time, right?

Of course there's issues with DefAdj/Probation, especially in certain states. But if you really believe what you're saying here, then in order for it to be an issue AT ALL, you also have to then believe that recidivism is a fucking given and that people can't fucking help themselves.

Almost every sob story I've heard about probation has people either not taking probation seriously, blowing it off, refusing to change their behaviors and getting busted for something else, or essentially being incapable of NOT violating probation. But you want to blame the DA/Prosecutor for some malign intent?

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Perhaps you read my post differently than I read it as I wrote it. I didnt mean to imply is is the "only" reason. I know DAs and I know def attorneys. If you believe a DA hasnt sized up a defendant and thought "no way he can do 2 years without fucking up. He'll violate" then maybe you know different DAs than I do. This isn't tin foil hat shit. It happens. Especially in big ass metro areas.

The crux of what I was trying to say is that probation can be a much worse scenario than doing the time, especially for non-violent offenders. Most fuckups in this position will in fact fuckup their probation. If someone is looking at a short jolt in county or a couple of years probation they have to ask themselves can I not fuckup for a couple of years. If the answer is no, then do the 10 days and put it behind you.

zombiewizardhawk said:

They aren't extraditing me for it, no. It's a misdemeanor possession charge. They haven't wanted to extradite me any time I've ever been stopped by the cops (once in Ohio cause I was walking home from the bar wasted, they gave me a ride home instead!) and 732108573028 times in Florida for "I haven't seen you around here before" or "you're probably gonna get pulled over again up the road" (cause I was walking down the sidewalk... and had like 4 miles left to get home...)

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Bro how sketchy do you look IRL for Florida cops to stop you for not looking familiar. They usually only do that for black people.

Vinen said:

Hes a meth addict...

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I thought he was just a dude who lived in a trailer. Didn't know he was full blown meth head. Now I really wanna see a pic. We could make a poll and do bets on how many teeth he has.

Sanrith Descartes said:

Perhaps you read my post differently than I read it as I wrote it. I didnt mean to imply is is the "only" reason. I know DAs and I know def attorneys.

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Man...in an earlier post, you prefaced what you wrote with "I'm not a lawyer...", but now you're doing a 180 and throwing out the "I know DAs and I know def attorneys"

Well, shit. Now I don't know if I should just take your post as gospel, or if I should question it. These qualifiers have me all turned around now.

Sanrith Descartes said:

If you believe a DA hasnt sized up a defendant and thought "no way he can do 2 years without fucking up. He'll violate" then maybe you know different DAs than I do. This isn't tin foil hat shit. It happens. Especially in big ass metro areas.

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You say 'sized up a defendant' as if the only thing they're thinking about is whether a defendant can make it through probation, with an intent to railroad them. Which is extremely odd on a number of levels.

No offense here at all, but if that's the opinion you have, and you're basing this on "I know DAs and I know def attorneys.", then I have some bad news for you. Maybe the issue isn't with DAs and defense attorneys across the board...maybe it's just an issue with the ones you know.

Did you ever stop to consider that one reason they offer probation is that they legit think they're doing the defender a solid? That they're putting someone on a path towards treatment and recovery (especially when it's substance abuse or DWI)?

Yet you're over here with this incredibly narrow and cynical view of their motivations.

Sanrith Descartes said:

The crux of what I was trying to say is that probation can be a much worse scenario than doing the time, especially for non-violent offenders. Most fuckups in this position will in fact fuckup their probation. If someone is looking at a short jolt in county or a couple of years probation they have to ask themselves can I not fuckup for a couple of years. If the answer is no, then do the 10 days and put it behind you.

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The question I'd want to ask is if the particular conditions of probation are fair. You're wanting to ask if the derps can keep themselves from derping, which might be a rhetorical question.

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zombiewizardhawk said:

Everything I read any time I've looked said that you could face the full amount of jail time for the original sentence (which is suspended for probation), not that you could serve up to the duration of probation.



I'm at that point now where I have enough money saved up that I can actually do this. Hasn't really been a feasible option in the past because I've never been able to get far enough ahead on savings that I could afford a couple weeks of not working (and x amount of time to get a new job afterwards).

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Why do you need to take time off work to find a new job? Stop sucking off the taxpayer teet freeloader

pharmakos said:

Lol Christ guys don't scare the guy away out of embarrassment, we're like the only positive influence in his life

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Just a lil foh tough love. Wouldn't be foh without our resident methheads, trannies, and southern crackheads ( hodj )