Marvel Universe stuff

apparently Disney and Universal have come to some sort of deal and the characters Universal had first rights on (Hulk, etc) are now going back to Disney? I guess we'll see. Disney was able to use Hulk as side chars in movies but not standalone, but She-Hulk and stuff is changing that stuff. Dunno what Universal gets out of any deal.

I was thinking - I wonder if the 3rd Antman movie was pushed way back because they decided to rewrite some of the plot after the success of Loki? Since last I heard the movie was supposed to heavily involve Kang

spronk said:

apparently Disney and Universal have come to some sort of deal and the characters Universal had first rights on (Hulk, etc) are now going back to Disney? I guess we'll see. Disney was able to use Hulk as side chars in movies but not standalone, but She-Hulk and stuff is changing that stuff. Dunno what Universal gets out of any deal.

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From what I remember (and I think Mark Ruffalo was talking about this). Marvel has always had rights to make Hulk movies (Ed Norton Hulk is MCU cannon) but Universal had distribution rights which meant any money made from a stand alone Hulk movie Universal got a cut of. Marvel was pretty much "fuck them, we will just tell his story in other characters stories."

interesting and in depth look at some recent Marvel history, slashfilms does really deep dive interviews into iconic cinematic behind the scenes on Godfather, Goodfellas, Ghostbusters, etc

Back in 2015, we heard Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige almost walked away from the company due to ongoing disagreements with the Marvel Creative Committee about "Captain America: Civil War." This group situated at the Marvel Entertainment offices in New York consisted of Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter, president Alan Fine, Marvel Comics writer Brian Michael Bendis, Marvel Comics publisher Dan Buckley, and Marvel Entertainment CCO Joe Quesada, and they were constantly meddling in the affairs of Marvel Studios with terrible notes and worse ideas. At the time, all we heard was talk about the brass in New York wanting to scale down "Captain America: Civil War," but it was actually much worse than that.

The clash between Marvel Studios and the Marvel Creative Committee over "Captain America: Civil War" is chronicled in the new book "The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe." As the book explains, The Marvel Creative Committee had only become more demanding as the success of Marvel Studios continued, and they vehemently opposed the film's final act where Captain America and Iron Man fought each other. You know, the whole point of having a Civil War in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's when things really got ugly.

The Marvel Creative Committee, in all their infinite wisdom, didn't want Captain America and Iron Man coming to blows. Instead, they wanted The Avengers to reunite to battle the super soldiers that Baron Zemo led them to in a secret Hydra facility in Siberia. "Captain America: Civil War" co-writer Stephen McFeely recalls, "We had to do a draft where they had a fight in a submarine base with five super soldiers."

Directors Anthony & Joe Russo were not happy about this potential change to "Captain America: Civil War." Joe Russo said, "We kept saying, "There's nothing interesting about that film. We're not here to make that movie. We're not interested in telling another superhero story.'"

Kevin Feige found himself siding with the filmmakers. After years of playing nice and working as the go-between for the Marvel Creative Committee and the creatives at Marvel Studios, this was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to negotiating and compromising with the executives in New York. This time there would be no negotiating. As Joe Russo said:

"Civil War started a civil war in Marvel. But when we drew the line in the sand, it became a moment where that company was either going to slowly bend back toward where it had come from, or it was gonna slowly start to bend toward new territory."




Ike Perlmutter also nixxed Captain Marvel and Black Panther for years, saying nobody wants to see black superheroes or women. Disney finally gave Feige full reigns, solo supervision over all Marvel movies.

Unfortunately now probably the pendulum has swung too far, Feige has no one telling him no so its just the same recycled story over and over. None of the last few MCU movies or TV shows have been that interesting, just passably mediocre.

spronk said:

interesting and in depth look at some recent Marvel history, slashfilms does really deep dive interviews into iconic cinematic behind the scenes on Godfather, Goodfellas, Ghostbusters, etc

The Ending Of Captain America: Civil War Was Almost Destroyed By The Marvel Creative Committee - SlashFilm

We always knew there was clashing between Kevin Feige and the Marvel Creative Committee on Captain America: Civil War, and now we finally know why.

www.slashfilm.com

Back in 2015, we heard Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige almost walked away from the company due to ongoing disagreements with the Marvel Creative Committee about "Captain America: Civil War." This group situated at the Marvel Entertainment offices in New York consisted of Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter, president Alan Fine, Marvel Comics writer Brian Michael Bendis, Marvel Comics publisher Dan Buckley, and Marvel Entertainment CCO Joe Quesada, and they were constantly meddling in the affairs of Marvel Studios with terrible notes and worse ideas. At the time, all we heard was talk about the brass in New York wanting to scale down "Captain America: Civil War," but it was actually much worse than that.

The clash between Marvel Studios and the Marvel Creative Committee over "Captain America: Civil War" is chronicled in the new book "The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe." As the book explains, The Marvel Creative Committee had only become more demanding as the success of Marvel Studios continued, and they vehemently opposed the film's final act where Captain America and Iron Man fought each other. You know, the whole point of having a Civil War in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's when things really got ugly.

The Marvel Creative Committee, in all their infinite wisdom, didn't want Captain America and Iron Man coming to blows. Instead, they wanted The Avengers to reunite to battle the super soldiers that Baron Zemo led them to in a secret Hydra facility in Siberia. "Captain America: Civil War" co-writer Stephen McFeely recalls, "We had to do a draft where they had a fight in a submarine base with five super soldiers."

Directors Anthony & Joe Russo were not happy about this potential change to "Captain America: Civil War." Joe Russo said, "We kept saying, "There's nothing interesting about that film. We're not here to make that movie. We're not interested in telling another superhero story.'"

Kevin Feige found himself siding with the filmmakers. After years of playing nice and working as the go-between for the Marvel Creative Committee and the creatives at Marvel Studios, this was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to negotiating and compromising with the executives in New York. This time there would be no negotiating. As Joe Russo said:

"Civil War started a civil war in Marvel. But when we drew the line in the sand, it became a moment where that company was either going to slowly bend back toward where it had come from, or it was gonna slowly start to bend toward new territory."




Ike Perlmutter also nixxed Captain Marvel and Black Panther for years, saying nobody wants to see black superheroes or women. Disney finally gave Feige full reigns, solo supervision over all Marvel movies.

Unfortunately now probably the pendulum has swung too far, Feige has no one telling him no so its just the same recycled story over and over. None of the last few MCU movies or TV shows have been that interesting, just passably mediocre.

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Perlmutter was right. the female supers are shit, Feige makes them all way OP with garbage personalities.

Perlmutter being wrong about Civil War doesn't mean he was wrong about anything else.

Hawkeye comes out November 24th on D+

"Avengers: Endgame" codirector Joe Russo said that Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige initially wanted the original six Avengers to die in the blockbuster movie.

"Kevin's initial pitch was that it was 'Toy Story 3' - a 'they're all gonna jump into a furnace together' concept," Russo said in a new behind-the-scenes book called "The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe" by Tara Bennett and Paul Terry.

According to the book authors, directors Joe and Anthony Russo pushed back against Feige's concept because the storyline wouldn't adequately celebrate the beloved superheroes. It would also be difficult for Marvel fans to process that volume of those character losses.
In "The Story of Marvel Studios," Joe said that they "easily could have killed Cap because that's the expectation."

"He is a very selfless character who would be the first one to take a bullet for anyone," the director said. "And we talked about Cap and Tony dying together."
The remaining original Avengers who made it out of "Endgame" alive - Hawkeye, Thor (Chris Hemsworth), and Bruce Banner/Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) - are expected to pop up in future Marvel projects.

My wife was asking what I wanted for Christmas. I don't need anything, because if I want it, I buy it. It's nice being a grown up like that. So I told her to get me this book. I'm nerd enough to happily read it.

Big Phoenix said:

That would have made the movie much better instead of it being just another no one of importance dies and the bad guy loses as if nothing happened ending in every single other movie.

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Black Widow dies, Iron Man dies and Captain America effectively dies. What are you talking about?

Would have made no sense for Hawkeye to die after Nat's sacrifice, they already clipped the Hulk's testicles and made Thor a disgraced fattie. 3/6 are done and 2/6 neutered while the last gets a Disney+ series to pass the baton to an even less interesting character.

Big Phoenix said:

Thanos was defeated by the time he "sacrificed" himself, so his death was completely pointless.

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You post some pretty retarded stuff from time to time, but this ranks up near the top.

Big Phoenix said:

The biggest problem with all superhero movies is nothing matters, theres no consequences for anything that happens. Not a problem for children who only really care about neat looking characters and explosions but as an adult you kind of need more.

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This isn't exactly wrong, but it's also been true of mainstream comics for pretty much the entire history of comics.

Big Phoenix said:

A character is not dead when movies are still being made about them after their death.

Literally did not die. Also if you wanna go down that road that he effectively dies, that opens up a massive can of worms of really garbage writing that is time travel.

Died, but his death made no sense. Thanos was defeated by the time he "sacrificed" himself, so his death was completely pointless.

The biggest problem with all superhero movies is nothing matters, theres no consequences for anything that happens. Not a problem for children who only really care about neat looking characters and explosions but as an adult you kind of need more.

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I like how even the 100% dead one doesn't count because of your personal interpretation and standards.

spronk said:

interesting and in depth look at some recent Marvel history, slashfilms does really deep dive interviews into iconic cinematic behind the scenes on Godfather, Goodfellas, Ghostbusters, etc

The Ending Of Captain America: Civil War Was Almost Destroyed By The Marvel Creative Committee - SlashFilm

We always knew there was clashing between Kevin Feige and the Marvel Creative Committee on Captain America: Civil War, and now we finally know why.

www.slashfilm.com

Back in 2015, we heard Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige almost walked away from the company due to ongoing disagreements with the Marvel Creative Committee about "Captain America: Civil War." This group situated at the Marvel Entertainment offices in New York consisted of Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter, president Alan Fine, Marvel Comics writer Brian Michael Bendis, Marvel Comics publisher Dan Buckley, and Marvel Entertainment CCO Joe Quesada, and they were constantly meddling in the affairs of Marvel Studios with terrible notes and worse ideas. At the time, all we heard was talk about the brass in New York wanting to scale down "Captain America: Civil War," but it was actually much worse than that.

The clash between Marvel Studios and the Marvel Creative Committee over "Captain America: Civil War" is chronicled in the new book "The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe." As the book explains, The Marvel Creative Committee had only become more demanding as the success of Marvel Studios continued, and they vehemently opposed the film's final act where Captain America and Iron Man fought each other. You know, the whole point of having a Civil War in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's when things really got ugly.

The Marvel Creative Committee, in all their infinite wisdom, didn't want Captain America and Iron Man coming to blows. Instead, they wanted The Avengers to reunite to battle the super soldiers that Baron Zemo led them to in a secret Hydra facility in Siberia. "Captain America: Civil War" co-writer Stephen McFeely recalls, "We had to do a draft where they had a fight in a submarine base with five super soldiers."

Directors Anthony & Joe Russo were not happy about this potential change to "Captain America: Civil War." Joe Russo said, "We kept saying, "There's nothing interesting about that film. We're not here to make that movie. We're not interested in telling another superhero story.'"

Kevin Feige found himself siding with the filmmakers. After years of playing nice and working as the go-between for the Marvel Creative Committee and the creatives at Marvel Studios, this was the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to negotiating and compromising with the executives in New York. This time there would be no negotiating. As Joe Russo said:

"Civil War started a civil war in Marvel. But when we drew the line in the sand, it became a moment where that company was either going to slowly bend back toward where it had come from, or it was gonna slowly start to bend toward new territory."




Ike Perlmutter also nixxed Captain Marvel and Black Panther for years, saying nobody wants to see black superheroes or women. Disney finally gave Feige full reigns, solo supervision over all Marvel movies.

Unfortunately now probably the pendulum has swung too far, Feige has no one telling him no so its just the same recycled story over and over. None of the last few MCU movies or TV shows have been that interesting, just passably mediocre.

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In the end I think we're going to see Perlmutter and Fiege would probably have both failed on their own--but together, they cancelled out each others worst tendencies enough to catch lightning in a bottle.

I guess Lincoln isn't dead. Bruce Lee is out there Kung Fu fighting. Etc...

Lithose said:

In the end I think we're going to see Perlmutter and Fiege would probably have both failed on their own--but together, they cancelled out each others worst tendencies enough to catch lightning in a bottle.

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they need to put Perlmutter back in and stop Feige from gaying up thius entire franchise. its probably too late now, but with the Multiverse, they can bring anyone back.