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Those are very real complaints. Even though I'm addicted to MCU, I don't see any false statements made. They really ruined an otherwise unbelievable reputation with their bullshit woke and die message.

That said, I'm not really looking forward to the new Superman, even though it's being made by GotG greatness. I'll read the reviews after if comes out and see if I care enough to watch it.

In closing, Disney done fucked up bigly.
 
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Batman works best as Grimdark shit. Hes the only major comic character that deals with street level murderers and shit on a daily basis. His origin is dark shit. They had such success with Burton and Nolan there is no way they can ever try to make that work as a golden age of comics light setting. that ship has sailed.

Their biggest mistake was trying to catch lightning in the bottle with a shared universe. I though Cavill was a great Superman. If they would have given Snyder a true 2nd film to hash out the character, then a proper BatFleck solo film, before justice league it might have worked.

Cavill as superman ruled.
Afflect Batman was cool and his fighting style and action could have been a great basis for a franchise.
Wonder woman worked great alone.

Jam them all together while trying to speed run 2 - 3 phases of a universe in 3 movies just wasnt it and nearly destroyed the properties.

edit: I never liked Aquaman so much I dont even think about him in these. Momoa gets an A for effort I just dont know how anyone could ever translate him to a successful film in the 2000s.

Cavill was great as Superman but his movies were a let down. The actor they cast as Zod, Michael Shannon, looks and talks like your alcoholic uncle. He's skinny and unathletic and looks and talks like a weasel. He ruined that movie.

Lex Luthor was even worse. They made Luthor some nerdy dweeb mark Zuckerberg look alike. Nothing like the comic characters.

These guys are supposed to be as buff as Cavill and as smart as Albert Einstein. Instead we got a drunk uncle and some nerd singing about boats and hoes.

Wonder Woman, Batman, and Aqua Man were fine. It was the antagonists that were awful.

What made infinity war great wasn't just the heroes. Thanos was a villain you could root for. In some cases you actually want Thanos to win.
 
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Ill go further - I am not at all excited for Doomsday. And I think that Infinity War and Endgame was the near perfect culmination of the greatest Cinematic undertaking of my 41 years of life.

30 something movies, 8 or more franchises, dozens of High Quality actors all properly managed to string together a complete narrative that rarely missed. Sure some of the standalone films over the decade missed, but they typically fixed mistakes or learned from them. They had series change directors, actors, all while still maintaining an overall vision (no pun intended) that was great and added characters on the fly without it feeling unnatural. Black Panther was only in about 20 minutes of Civil war buy came out of that movie in a way that he was a star character up there with the Original Team. Shit, he only had his 1 movie, and then maybe 20 more minutes of screen time in tInfinity war and endgame. All in all that character had maybe 2 and a half hours of screen time and became a top Marvel character. Strange and Antman were tied in well too, and the Guardians slid into the Avengers on the fly perfectly.

the fall of marvel post Endgame will be studied someday for the way in which they have completely failed every project since. How they took a good thing and oversaturated it. How they introduced new threads and characters that disappeared or were never mentioned again. How they actively talked down to, hated, and blamed their own customers for their failures. Chadwick dying was a major blow that set them off at a complete disadvantage coming out of Endgame when TChalla was set to become a major leader of the franchises. But even then not much would have changed - BP2 would have been better but they have siloed every franchise since so its not like he was missed elsewhere.

they fumbled so bad they brought back RDJ as a hail mary and are going to lean into the Multiverse shit so heavy because they have no other choice, they ruined their only beloved characters and pushed their shitty political and Diversity initiatives so hard and they fell so flat that they don't have a single marketable property to sell this dump of a film.

F4 has to literally end up the best movie ever, with this cast being so well liked that they can anchor Doomsday. And I just don't see that happening in a movie set in an alternate dimension that ends with them losing to Galactus and fleeing to our reality.

All they had to do was give Bucky the shield, Make She Hulk without actively shitting on and ruining the Hulk, and had some level of oversight on Taikka in thor and the writers rooms on Wanda and Multiverse of Madness and you would be looking at the highest grossing Marvel film ever. Instead its going to limp out like a popcorn fart when no one wants to see Evil RDJ vs a bunch of nobodies.
They really did achieve something that nobody in cinema history had ever done before and it was great, other than some stinkers here and there like you said. Overall though it was pretty amazing. I've got a buddy in the industry living in Atlanta and I guess after infinity war and the end game came out had a pretty long conversation with him one weekend about just how amazing it really was for Disney to pull it off. I'm just impressed from the logistical and project management standpoint of making it all work. You just think about the thousands of people they were able to coordinate, and I'm giving all of the characters screen time and stuff to make things just pretty cohesive.

I don't think we'll ever see something like it again and it's definitely from a film standpoint something historic. And I believe you're right that studying how all of that took place will be something analyzed I guess in film School, as well as the downfall of the whole franchise.
 
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Cavill was great as Superman but his movies were a let down. The actor they cast as Zod, Michael Shannon, looks and talks like your alcoholic uncle. He's skinny and unathletic and looks and talks like a weasel. He ruined that movie.

Lex Luthor was even worse. They made Luthor some nerdy dweeb mark Zuckerberg look alike. Nothing like the comic characters.

These guys are supposed to be as buff as Cavill and as smart as Albert Einstein. Instead we got a drunk uncle and some nerd singing about boats and hoes.

Wonder Woman, Batman, and Aqua Man were fine. It was the antagonists that were awful.

What made infinity war great wasn't just the heroes. Thanos was a villain you could root for. In some cases you actually want Thanos to win.

Yeah I dont disagree. I think Man of Steels fighting and destruction was something we hadnt seen before that I really liked. And for as shitty as Batman vs Superman turned out, the early scenes with Bruce watching the city fall down and thousands die and blaming superman was fucking epic.

They really did achieve something that nobody in cinema history had ever done before and it was great, other than some stinkers here and there like you said. Overall though it was pretty amazing. I've got a buddy in the industry living in Atlanta and I guess after infinity war and the end game came out had a pretty long conversation with him one weekend about just how amazing it really was for Disney to pull it off. I'm just impressed from the logistical and project management standpoint of making it all work. You just think about the thousands of people they were able to coordinate, and I'm giving all of the characters screen time and stuff to make things just pretty cohesive.

I don't think we'll ever see something like it again and it's definitely from a film standpoint something historic. And I believe you're right that studying how all of that took place will be something analyzed I guess in film School, as well as the downfall of the whole franchise.

Thats what makes it even more annoying. No one else could have pulled off what they did. You could try the same thing 100 times again with some of the best and brightest in the industry and they wouldfail 100 times. with all the issues that could come up and issues with actors, writers, etc they held it together for 30 flicks and it will never come close to as good as it was.

And they didnt just falter slowly. The very second the credits rolled on Endgame it all fell apart faster than anyone could have expected.

The only way post endgame could have been worse is if every patron to the movie finished the credits, then was led into a dark room where Kevin Feige strapped them to a table and proceeded to take a hot liquid Cholula shit into their mouths

Oddly that might have been more enjoyable than She Hulk.
 
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Yeah I rewatched the new Batman movie last weekend because it was raining out, and I'm still surprised at how much I really enjoyed it. I watched the whole penguin series and thought it was really good, and honestly hoped that they were going to do more stuff with Matt Reeves or whatever his name is. It's definitely a grounded and fresh approach to the whole franchise, and had me wanting to see more, which is kind of a rare occurrence nowadays with general film.
The Batman 2 has been plagued with issues from the get-go, such as not being under Gunn's master plan.

Beyond that though, Reeves has effectively been on leave (supposedly medical, but no firm details) and the project is in limbo, with a new batch of hearsay rumors over the last couple days arguing over whether he's officially been replaced or not again. Supposedly it'll film in March, but who knows if Reeves will be involved or not by that point.

Any curiosity I have for Doomsday is only of the morbid kind (as in how many white male characters will they retro-assassinate with evil variants). We've spent enough time arguing over Marvel's post-endgame issues, but I'll point out Endgame was already a step down, focusing too much on nostalgia and girl power, replacing the nuance of Infinity War Thanos with a generic warlord, with a script that even the creators didn't agree on what the timeline was (e.g. was Cap actually Peggy's husband or not).

Edit: Just a reminder, did you hate The Electric State? That was by the entire squad from Infinity War (The Russos, Markus, and McFeely). So Doomsday getting the Russos and McFeely back is no guarantee of quality.
 
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Yeah I dont disagree. I think Man of Steels fighting and destruction was something we hadnt seen before that I really liked. And for as shitty as Batman vs Superman turned out, the early scenes with Bruce watching the city fall down and thousands die and blaming superman was fucking epic.



Thats what makes it even more annoying. No one else could have pulled off what they did. You could try the same thing 100 times again with some of the best and brightest in the industry and they wouldfail 100 times. with all the issues that could come up and issues with actors, writers, etc they held it together for 30 flicks and it will never come close to as good as it was.

And they didnt just falter slowly. The very second the credits rolled on Endgame it all fell apart faster than anyone could have expected.

The only way post endgame could have been worse is if every patron to the movie finished the credits, then was led into a dark room where Kevin Feige strapped them to a table and proceeded to take a hot liquid Cholula shit into their mouths

Oddly that might have been more enjoyable than She Hulk.
Haha, you're right and it really is a shame, because I watched all the other movies other than maybe the marvel lady movie, and I would probably be watching the new stuff, but it went downhill fast.

They really captured lightning in a bottle with the first round, but everything now just looks like a hot mess, but you would think you would try to replicate that planning and orchestration again to make big bucks, but they definitely got all fucked up.

I don't know about 90% of the new stuff maybe, where as before I knew/watched about 90% of the other stuff. I just don't care anymore, and it really is a shame because they did something pretty monumental and also entertaining.

I think the only other movie out of the original run that I didn't watch was Black panther.
 

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They really did achieve something that nobody in cinema history had ever done before and it was great, other than some stinkers here and there like you said. Overall though it was pretty amazing. I've got a buddy in the industry living in Atlanta and I guess after infinity war and the end game came out had a pretty long conversation with him one weekend about just how amazing it really was for Disney to pull it off. I'm just impressed from the logistical and project management standpoint of making it all work. You just think about the thousands of people they were able to coordinate, and I'm giving all of the characters screen time and stuff to make things just pretty cohesive.

I don't think we'll ever see something like it again and it's definitely from a film standpoint something historic. And I believe you're right that studying how all of that took place will be something analyzed I guess in film School, as well as the downfall of the whole franchise.

Chris Gore famously said that Kathleen Kennedy's destruction of Star Wars is likely the biggest financial disaster in film history, but I'm not so sure that is the case. In a (relatively) short amount of time, 5-7 years, they built the MCU up into a nigh-never ending stream of must-watch movies all grossing a billion dollars and selling a shitload of merch. Even if they would have only been able to keep it up at a 66-75% clip using the vast amount of material they bought, they would still be churning out 4-6 movies a year grossing 750ish million with a shit ton of merch as well. It would have taken a lot of effort for a well-run Star Wars franchise to match that pace just based on the amount of available content alone. In my humblest of opinions, the complete destruction of the MCU as a franchise in an even shorter amount of time then it took to ramp it up is probably an even bigger financial disaster then Star Wars based on the ease of adapting available material and the sheer amount of that material that could have been exploited.

Instead, we get retard female Silver Surfer but without a discernably female body. Jesus Christ they are stupid.
 
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Doom doesn't excite me simply because I can't get behind RDJ as Doom when he has literally already been in the universe as Ironman.
 
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Cavill was great as Superman but his movies were a let down. The actor they cast as Zod, Michael Shannon, looks and talks like your alcoholic uncle. He's skinny and unathletic and looks and talks like a weasel. He ruined that movie.

Lex Luthor was even worse. They made Luthor some nerdy dweeb mark Zuckerberg look alike. Nothing like the comic characters.

These guys are supposed to be as buff as Cavill and as smart as Albert Einstein. Instead we got a drunk uncle and some nerd singing about boats and hoes.

Wonder Woman, Batman, and Aqua Man were fine. It was the antagonists that were awful.

What made infinity war great wasn't just the heroes. Thanos was a villain you could root for. In some cases you actually want Thanos to win.
Cavil was great as Superman, shame he wasn't allowed to continue.

I think Lex was given riddler comics as prep, his Lex was so far off character
 
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Doom doesn't excite me simply because I can't get behind RDJ as Doom when he has literally already been in the universe as Ironman.
That is the problem I am having. RDJ played Ironman about as well as could be played. Everyone knows the personality. It becomes a serious conflict when now he is going to play a fairly different role. The mask will help but obviously the mask will come off at times or why bother with casting RDJ.
 
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Imagine if they cast Hugh Jackman as Magneto or Mister sinister. Never would happen. He and RDJ are literally the two best cast characters ever. Blows my mind that they would do this.

great points about this vs Star Wars.

just based on the amount of releases I think MCU loses more. Kennedy ruined Star Wars but that was only in the form of tanking 3 movies, and 2 spin offs. The shows other than acolyte have flopped but not monumentally and the losses glare bigger on theatrical releases over shows.

meanwhile we are what, 10 movies and 7 shows post endgame? And every movie made 100-200 milllion less than peak much films. They left so much on the table.

another thing that’s hurt MCU that I was reminded me of with the silver surfer comment - MCU is casting actors based on name and not fit.

Silver surfer actor was fine on Ozark but how in any way is that actor someone who you look at and see as the role of a World Eating celestial detached herald? Evans RDJ Hemsworth cast in their roles because they fit the character not because of a name.

Eternals was just “get big names and find a spot for them”. They cast a guy for blade that makes zero sense just based on his big names. Fantastic four casting is awful. Just grab Pedro cause he’s hot oj the market. Kang was an awful casting. The Marvels bad. Namor bad.

I think the only good fit post endgame was Ford because he fits Ross very well.

the McU nailed casting less known actors or Guys on the down turn and saving their careers and making them household names because they nailed their characters and not just signing big names. I think ScarJo was the only A list actor before their casting and that was just cause she’s hot. The guardians of the galaxy were the gay guy from parks and rec, two cgi characters and a retired wrestler who was like the 5th biggest name of his era and they turned them into a Multi billion dollar franchise based on quality casting .
 
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That is the problem I am having. RDJ played Ironman about as well as could be played. Everyone knows the personality. It becomes a serious conflict when now he is going to play a fairly different role. The mask will help but obviously the mask will come off at times or why bother with casting RDJ.
I mean he's just going to play his snarky self again, because that's what he plays in every goddamn movie he has ever done. I rewatched Zodiac sometime last year, and he played basically the same character except not being Tony Stark. All of his lines are delivered in the same manner.

He's what I call a movie star, because he's not an actor that is able to transform himself into somebody unrecognizable, like Daniel Day-Lewis.
 

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I mean he's just going to play his snarky self again, because that's what he plays in every goddamn movie he has ever done. I rewatched Zodiac sometime last year, and he played basically the same character except not being Tony Stark. All of his lines are delivered in the same manner.

He's what I call a movie star, because he's not an actor that is able to transform himself into somebody unrecognizable, like Daniel Day-Lewis.

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