Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

It should have existed in the world of Winter Soldier without taking a huge break. Just make one of the last episodes Nick Fury in a chopper before Hydra takes over instead of what they really made happen. But realistically, the first season wasn't great. Bad Guy of the Week isn't a strong way to do a show. Granted, it works with SOME shows (Limitless), but didn't do shit for this series. And Dethlok was terribad.

Can someone remind me if we've seen Fitz's Dad in the show before? I can't tell if I'm remembering the actor from another show, or if he was on Agents before and I just can't place him.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. He's the guy that Harry impersonates when sneaking into the Ministry of Magic.

No we have heard references to Fitz's dad but this is the first we actually see him

He reminded me of Dr Beckett from Star Gate Atlantis. Very similar face and accent. Wasn't him though.

Qhue said:

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. He's the guy that Harry impersonates when sneaking into the Ministry of Magic.

No we have heard references to Fitz's dad but this is the first we actually see him

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Yea, he's been in lots of little parts in things. He was on Gotham as well, Alfred's old drinking buddy or something.
So, he seemed familiar when he showed up, but I couldn't remember if that was from being on the show before or just seeing the actor before. Thanks.

It seems clear that

hand and xena? really? They were barely even recurring characters and not part of the team itself. Plus, Mockingbird and Hubbie just had to leave the spy team, didn't really get screwed on nearly the same level as 'dead'. In fact, they left to keep themselves from being killed basically. That's a pretty good result for them.

His point was that 100% of the black dudes that joined the team have gotten screwed, if not completely died. Assuming Mack stays in the framework when it goes down, he's 'dead'. Though, I'm pretty sure they are gonna forcibly disconnect him, and he's gonna be all pissy at them for taking him away from his daughter.. but still, no way to know for sure right now. Foreshadowing is suggesting he will die, but it seems too forced to be what actually happens.

I even thought when Trip and Mack met in the Framework : "Uh oh... this can't be good...something tragic is gonna happen now"

ABC just renewed it for 22 episodes in season 5 this fall. Pretty sure it will last through Infinity Wars 2 (or whatever its title will be) . However after that it is any ones guess.

I wonder if Mack is going to end up leaving the matrix eventually, on his own? I can understand how he's locked in there and doesn't really "remember" an outside world, so it's all a mystery. So who knows. Maybe if the daughter gets a real skin duplicate IRL, that'll pull him over? They're gonna hand those duplicates out to everyone. The entire cast is back! Why would Hydra chick's real skin duplicate suddenly have special powers, though? It seems odd that she can create a body in the real world that can teleport. I realize it's a comic book, but still. That's pushing it.

I chalked it up to Darkhold voodoo. Mack will be about to die and Yoyo will save him last minute somehow. Also thought it was interesting how Ward was nowhere to be seen this episode. There was an article I read where EW asked Jed Whedon about Tripp and Ward taking over other bodies, and he said no, but the way it was asked was strange. They'll probably transfer into new bodies. Semantics.

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I wonder if Mack is going to end up leaving the matrix eventually, on his own? I can understand how he's locked in there and doesn't really "remember" an outside world, so it's all a mystery. So who knows. Maybe if the daughter gets a real skin duplicate IRL, that'll pull him over? They're gonna hand those duplicates out to everyone. The entire cast is back! Why would Hydra chick's real skin duplicate suddenly have special powers, though? It seems odd that she can create a body in the real world that can teleport. I realize it's a comic book, but still. That's pushing it.

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It's not exactly out of left field, considering she used a technology described in a supernatural-ish book, and the Framework reality had been running simulations on Inhuman genetics (via Fitz's device). It seems fairly obvious to me that the point of the Framework she created was simply to harness Fitz's mind to solve science problems she couldn't.

well.. and don't forget they are in loooooove...

Xarpolis said:

I wonder if Mack is going to end up leaving the matrix eventually, on his own? I can understand how he's locked in there and doesn't really "remember" an outside world, so it's all a mystery. So who knows. Maybe if the daughter gets a real skin duplicate IRL, that'll pull him over?

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That would be too creepy. Aida is an actual AI. Every other non-jacked-in-human person in the Framework is just a simulation based on memories. Which is also why I thought it was fucking ridiculous for Mack to choose to stay. Fuck all my responsibilities and loved ones in the real world, I'm just gonna chill here and pretend to be with my daughter.

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That would be too creepy. Aida is an actual AI. Every other non-jacked-in-human person in the Framework is just a simulation based on memories. Which is also why I thought it was fucking ridiculous for Mack to choose to stay. Fuck all my responsibilities and loved ones in the real world, I'm just gonna chill here and pretend to be with my daughter.

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I understand that, but while he's in the matrix world, he doesn't remember the real world at all. So from his point of view, that world is the real world. He knows that it's fake, but he really loves the life that he has with his daughter in the fakeness, so when Daisy said that his daughter was dead IRL, he decided he wanted to stay with the fake one. It's not a hard decision when he doesn't remember the real world at all. The other characters at least had some sort of phantom memories, but not him. So he doesn't really remember any of his "real life" commitments or whatever. He knows that he's in something fake, but because he doesn't remember the real, this is real as far as he is concerned.

It's confusing, but it makes sense. Psychologically speaking.