Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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Let's put aside for a minute the idea that a communist society would actually make farmer's lives much, much easier and they would probably be the first to willingly go along with it. Let's forget that for the moment.

Why is everybody assuming that a long process spanning generations that changes the way we fundamentally feel society should operate will end in people having the exact same attitudes about ownership we do now? So far, the only reasons people are able to provide are "that's just human nature" (which is just religious dogma that has no practical basis) and "look at what happened before" while pointing at examples of non-communist societies where ideas were forced upon people against their will. Why do we choose to ignore how incredibly adaptable humans are, how that is practically our defining trait? Why do we ignore the dramatic shifts that have already occurred, not only in technology and the way we do things, but in the way we think about the world? Why do we assume such shifts won't happen again? Why do we assume all of human history existed just to get us to this point, that we have reached the pinnacle of human existence and will never again see dramatic changes in society? Answer: Because it's lazy and a cop-out, it requires little to no critical thinking, and, most importantly, it allows for incredible over-use of childish sarcasm and schoolyard bullying in order to boost one's own ego.

The sad part is there are good questions being presented in this thread, but an incredible lack of maturity (from a certain poster, primarily) that prevents these questions from being discussed in earnest. We needed a symposium, we got a heckler.
 

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Let's put aside for a minute the idea that a communist society would actually make farmer's lives much, much easier and they would probably be the first to willingly go along with it. Let's forget that for the moment.

Why is everybody assuming that a long process spanning generations that changes the way we fundamentally feel society should operate will end in people having the exact same attitudes about ownership we do now? So far, the only reasons people are able to provide are "that's just human nature" (which is just religious dogma that has no practical basis) and "look at what happened before" while pointing at examples of non-communist societies where ideas were forced upon people against their will. Why do we choose to ignore how incredibly adaptable humans are, how that is practically our defining trait? Why do we ignore the dramatic shifts that have already occurred, not only in technology and the way we do things, but in the way we think about the world? Why do we assume such shifts won't happen again? Why do we assume all of human history existed just to get us to this point, that we have reached the pinnacle of human existence and will never again see dramatic changes in society? Answer: Because it's lazy and a cop-out, it requires little to no critical thinking, and, most importantly, it allows for incredible over-use of childish sarcasm and schoolyard bullying in order to boost one's own ego.

The sad part is there are good questions being presented in this thread, but an incredible lack of maturity (from a certain poster, primarily) that prevents these questions from being discussed in earnest. We needed a symposium, we got a heckler.
Get out. Sorry you are well traveled enough and haven't been sufficiently exposed to the world to realize that the vast majority of people and their personalities/habits/nature are completely incompatible with a communist society. To suggest humans are anywhere near the point to have such a society is absurd. We just outgrew slavery, oh wait we didn't; 30 million people in the world currently are considered slaves (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...99F1A320131016). Incredibly naive posters such as yourself ruin the conversation.

Also lets completely ignore how complex manufacturing techniques have gotten in the past 100 years and the amount of infrastructure required for them. Communism seems like a great system when you are living off of the land in wooden huts with grass roofs, not in a modern society.
 

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Chomsky sounds absurd in that interview. He should stick to politics.
Yeah Chomsky also bet Kurzweil that Watson wouldn't win Jeopardy. Chomsky said Watson was a bad AI that wouldn't win, Kurzweil said it would. Kurzweil was right, Chomsky was wrong.

Of course, when Kurzweil was busy building computers in his families' house in 1967 at the age of 17, Chomsky was writing love letters to Pol Pot and Mao, so Kurzweil was out there actually contributing to improving our lives, while Chomsky was busy protesting and bitching about how horrible his life as one of the most tenured, most cited linguists in history is.

Chomsky should probably stick to what he does best, analyzing language and bitching about Republican Presidents warmongering while ignoring Socialist mass slaughters and purges, rather than trying to predict the future course of technology, which Chomsky knows nothing about. Can Chomsky even read email? Who knows. Possibly. But I bet that's about the extent of his technological prowess

Do you think when he begs off he's going back to Das Capital to try to find passages to paraphrase in reply to the questions?

I sorta think he does. Does he think this is an academic discussion?

I'm almost curious as to why the fuck he even bothers anymore. He's been doing this exact same thing foryears, and to my recollection he's never managed to convince anyone of jackshit who didn't already agree with him.
I dunno about all that but I do think he often begs off the debate for a time because he wants time to try and come up with a rebuttal.

You gotta give him credit, he's a dedicated troll for Marx.

Looks like Dumar is the clear winner after this weekend
HAHAHA no.
 

Loser Araysar

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So I was driving this morning and singing along to



... when I realized that I was singing the lines below...

Something wrong, I hold my head
MJ gone, our Wakandan dead
I slapped my girl, she called the feds
I did that time and spent that bread
I'm heading home, I'm almost there
I'm on my way, heading up the stairs
To my surprise, a Wakandan replacing me
I had to take him to that ghetto university


My question is if its racist for a white male to be singing about slapping women and taking Wakandans back to the ghetto university.
 

hodj

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Nah don't sweat the small stuff bro. Would you be an addict because you happened to sing along with Sublimes' Smoke Two Joints? Of course not.
 

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I think it depends how you say "Wakandan". Did you actually say "MJ gone, ourAmerican Inventordead"?

Wakandanis playful. A term of endearment.

American Inventoris hateful. Used only by ReRolled racist fratboy Tanoomba.
 

Loser Araysar

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I think it depends how you say "Wakandan". Did you actually say "MJ gone, ourAmerican Inventordead"?

Wakandanis playful. A term of endearment.

American Inventoris hateful. Used only by ReRolled racist fratboy Tanoomba.
Can I say "Wakandan" elsewhere on rerolled without getting rickshawed? Whats the word from our all-white plantation owners over at Junkies Nation??
 

Adebisi

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Just throw down a couple "sup my Wakandans" just to test the waters.

My money is on no rickshaw.
 

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hmmmmm. Did it have a slight southern accent?

This needs to be brought to the rickshaw council of the twelve
 

Loser Araysar

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would i have still been rickshawed if i said "Wakandans" instead of "American Inventors"?
 
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