Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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There's no way to apply scientific rigor to any kind of social or political systems on a large scale.
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Sure there is. There's entire fields surrounding it. Ethnopaleobotany is a good example of the way you use science to investigate social and political systems on a large scale, and social relations.

And since you missed it earlier, let me help you out again

an?ec?dote
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noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
1.
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
synonyms: story, tale, narrative, incident; urban myth/legend; informalyarn
"amusing anecdotes"
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay.
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"
the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting.
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Mik is so desperate to land a blow he's punching himself in the face.

 
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In general, soft sciences aren't science for the vast majority of claims that might actually be useful in the real world.
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This is Mikhail and Dumar stating that THEIR theories aren't quantifiable.

Has nothing to do with reality. Anthropology is ground quite heavily in the hard sciences. Particularly physical anthropology.

Sociology isn't science, this is a fact. Sociology is what you do when Anthropology is too hard, though.
 
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hodj_sl said:
This is Mikhail and Dumar stating that THEIR theories aren't quantifiable.

Has nothing to do with reality. Anthropology is ground quite heavily in the hard sciences. Particularly physical anthropology.

Sociology isn't science, this is a fact. Sociology is what you do when Anthropology is too hard, though.
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The parts of anthropology that have anything useful to say about the proper configuration of society aren't science.
 
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Uh huh

Paleoethnobotany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pal(a)eoethnobotany or Archaeobotany, "is the study of remains of plants cultivated or used by man in ancient times, which have survived in archaeological contexts".[1] Paleoethnobotany is the archaeological sub-field that studies plant remains from archaeological sites. Basing on the recovery and identification of plant remains and the ecological and cultural information available for modern plants, the major research themes are the use of wild plants, the origins of agriculture and domestication, and the co-evolution of human-plant interactions.
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Now be honest. Did you even know this field existed prior to me telling you? Probably not.

You'd be amazed what you can learn about culture through proper analytical techniques. Should probably talk to some archaeologists some time, figure out how wrong you are.

Your other claim is an etymylogical fallacy, so I will post to you again

an?ec?dote
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noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
1.
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
synonyms: story, tale, narrative, incident; urban myth/legend; informalyarn
"amusing anecdotes"
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay.
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"
the depiction of a minor narrative incident in a painting.
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Enjoy staying oh so completely butt angsted over how wrong you are though.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Sure there is. There's entire fields surrounding it. Ethnopaleobotany is a good example of the way you use science to investigate social and political systems on a large scale, and social relations.

And since you missed it earlier, let me help you out again



Mik is so desperate to land a blow he's punching himself in the face.

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No one here is even close to throwing punches

This is more of a


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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
The parts of anthropology that have anything useful to say about the proper configuration of society aren't science.
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Lol such butthurt.

What is the proper configuration of society again?

Oh that's right, there isn't one. Societies arrange themselves based on relations within their context, not against a standard metric which you arbitrarily place upon them.

Bet you've never heard of the research done by William Rathje

William Rathje - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Garbology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact is that Dumar and Mikhail readily write off all quantifiable evidence which refutes their point of view. Because their point of view is a religion, and not science.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
Pop quiz, dipshit: What "claims that might actually be useful [in the context of deciding what sort of society we want to live in] in the real world" do we get from "the study of remains of plants cultivated or used by man in ancient times, which have survived in archaeological contexts."
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I dunno dipshit, maybe the fact that almost every major medicine today is derived and extracted from traditional remedies? Hmmm? Oh sorry, things like actually improving lives aren't relevant in the context of capitalism because it just reinforces oppression.

I dunno why you keep linking that article. You claimed that your anecdotes were evidence supporting your point of view. I said your anecdotes are just that: Anecdotes and not valid evidence to back up your tautological argument. Then you read half a sentence and have been butthurt about being wrong ever since. I don't know what you tell you Mik. Maybe if you weren't so desperate to salvage your poor bruised ego all the time, you wouldn't look like such a retard with every post you make?
 
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hodj_sl said:
What is the proper configuration of society again?
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Socialism, duh.

hodj_sl said:
Bet you've never heard of the research done by William Rathje

William Rathje - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Garbology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What am I supposed to derive from this?

hodj_sl said:
The fact is that Dumar and Mikhail readily write off all quantifiable evidence which refutes their point of view.
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What quantifiable evidence? What the fuck are you blathering about?
 
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Anyway, Mik. The fact that you write off entire fields of quantifiable research because you can't see the merit in them: Hilarious. More proof that you're looking for confirmation of your beliefs, not facts.

WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW PAST POPULATIONS INTERACTED WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND MODERN HUMAN SOCIAL CONDITIONS DERP

I dunno man. Maybe anthropology is just 2deep4u.

Guess that's why you like sociology so much.
 
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hodj_sl said:
I dunno dipshit, maybe the fact that almost every major medicine today is derived and extracted from traditional remedies?
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What the fuck does that have to do with anything we were talking about? Did you even read the whole question?

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Hmmm? Oh sorry, things like actually improving lives aren't relevant in the context of capitalism because it just reinforces oppression.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

hodj_sl said:
I dunno why you keep linking that article. You claimed that your anecdotes...
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No. Stop. I never presented any anecdotes nor did I claim that I did. Either you're really so fucking stupid that you actually think this, or you're just trolling. Which is it?

hodj_sl said:
tautological argument...
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...and you don't know what a tautology is. Wonderful.
 
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Socialism, duh.
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Ahh so eurocentric racist 18th century outdated ideas.

Tell me, do you think the Earth is flat, too?

What am I supposed to derive from this?
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I dunno, why don't you try learning something for once to find out? Because studying people's garbage can tell you quite a bit about how people live in modern contexts. If you, as a socialist, can't see why understanding how people's consumption patterns influence their living styles and habits and vice versa, I'd say you're a pretty piss poor socialist.

What quantifiable evidence? What the fuck are you blathering about?
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Well so far, you guys have denied that LVT has been rejected by the mainstream of economists due to quantifiable proof that the value of goods is not solely determined by their labor input, you've denied that data from archaeological contexts has any quantifiable metrics which could assist in understanding humans in modern contexts, lots of things. Really anything that involves math or statistics that doesn't comport with your point of view, you deny has any relevance to the debate at all.

You did it on the last page in reply to Khalid. I dunno why you'd deny it now.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Anyway, Mik. The fact that you write off entire fields of quantifiable research
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Just so nobody is tricked by this retard, here's what I actually said:

There's no way to apply scientific rigor to any kind of social or political systems on a large scale. The only thing you can do is examine the trends, look for whatever paired examples you can find (and they're not going to be well paired) and see where they lead. In general, soft sciences aren't science for the vast majority of claims that might actually be useful in the real world.
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That comment was made in the context of a discussion about the proper arrangement of society (not a discussion about human interaction with the environment).
 
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What the fuck does that have to do with anything we were talking about? /quote]

What DOESN'T human health have to do with social relations is a better question.

One that's not even on your radar.

What the fuck are you talking about?
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What, I'm just repeating your answer to everything.

No. Stop. I never presented any anecdotes nor did I claim that I did.
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Dipshit can't even remember his own rhetoric about poor evil bosses being incompetent losers who can't make proper decisions and his appeal to that example as justification for his tautological assertion that ownership in our society isn't valid because he says so.

...and you don't know what a tautology is
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Tautology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In rhetoric, a tautology (from Greek tauto, "the same" and logos, "word/idea") is a series of statements that form an argument, whereby the statements are constructed in such a way that the truth of the proposition is guaranteed or that, by defining a dissimilar or synonymous term in terms of another, the truth of the proposition or explanation cannot be disputed.
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
If the ownership isn't valid(and it isn't)then there's no "stealing" about it.
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Your begging the question fallacy was the tautology. Dipshit.

Mikhail in full blown denial mode now. We're about to see a category 9 Tsar Bomba any moment now. I wonder how many times he'll try to insult my intelligence. Which brings me to another point, Mikhail, you salty salty little butthurt faggot: You need to come up with better, more original insults. Otherwise you're just stale.
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That comment was made in the context of a discussion about the proper arrangement of society (not a discussion about human interaction with the environment).
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There is no proper arrangement of society

And humans interacting with their environment and each other (which are part of the environment) are, in fact, part and parcel of comprehending how human social arrangements occur. The fact that you think these are separate issues: More proof of the fact you aren't a scientist.

Maybe a little less time in the feminist lesbian history classes, and more time in the paleoethnobotany, biostatistics, and archaeology classes? Yes I think that's what you need more than anything.
 
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