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How would a communist society deal with mentally and physically handicapped people? Marx would probably advocate euthenizing people with down syndrome.
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Why do you seem to dismiss Maoism, Leninism or any other form of Communism as Communism? Are you saying Marxism is the only form of communism? If so, that is false and dishonest. It would be akin to a microbiologist ignoring all subspecies of E. coli except a virulent one and saying the species as a whole is virulent.
You are essentially claiming that well known and implemented sub-types of Communism are in fact not Communism because they don't fit your rigid definition. I'm sorry but you can't ignore any subtype you don't agree with. You are essentially pulling what a religious person would do with a subtype of their religion they do not belong to.
You seem to be dismissing any form of Communism that can be used as an example to illustrate how it is not optimal for many people in a society.
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The worst mistake I made as undergrad was taking a Medical Cytogenetics class as an elective. It was for that specific major only. Literally had to learn 20+ allelic disorders, what they caused, and what chromosome, where and how to identify it based on banding.
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Because vanguardism involves not actually putting control over capital in the hands of the workers (in real way) and therefore leaves itself vulnerable to the socialist criticism of capitalism. Vanguardism is ALSO the source of the political repression you see in those systems. The two things go together (for obvious reasons).
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Maosim, Leninism, Stalinism are none the less a considered subtypes of Communism. Why do you continue to ignore the only large scale, long term evidence if Communism not creating some utopia?
U.S. orders for non-transport durable goods fell in a bad sign.http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...99L04G20131025
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If socialism is so obtuse that even the most studied people can't understand, only two die hard Marxists on a message board can really grasp its inner workings, then it sounds like a big old fat turd of an ideology to me.
There's nothing complicated about socialism and the repeated argument that "Its just 2deep4u" is a cop out argument.
There's nothing complicated about socialism and the repeated argument that "Its just 2deep4u" is a cop out argument.
Not my premise at all. Lenin himself admitted that what he had implemented was state captialist.
I'm not a Marxist, retard.
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This is what Lenin actually said
His "admission" is him stating that state capitalism was a necessary progressive step towards the final goal of socialism and communism in Russia. Nice completely misconstruing his meaning though. This falls back on that same flawed argument that if you don't achieve all your goals, then you weren't really what you claimed to be in the first place. The example being a Neo Nazi saying Hitler wasn't really a fascist anti semite because he didn't actually succeed at wiping out all the Jews. Bad argument is bad. Motivation matters, and context does too.
And Marxist is a perfectly acceptable definition, because it refers to anyone who is operating from within the Materialist Dialectic paradigm, and does not necessarily imply that you exclusively follow Marx's teachings directly and solely. The term Marxism is an umbrella term. I already demonstrated this fact far earlier in the debate with Dumar.
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Why in the fuck would you take cytogenetics as an elective? Just the fact that they're using the form "cyto" should tell you that is no crib class. The cytogenetics for English majors would be "Cellular Genetic Theory, and stuff"
Do you masturbate with sandpaper, too?
I said that he admitted that was what he implemented. What difference does it make if he CLAIMED that it was supposedly to implement socialism. He didn't implement socialism. Nothing that happened in the USSR was under a system of socialism. That's the fucking point, you retard.
You don't even understand what a anecdote is, so maybe you shouldn't worry your dumbdumb head about definitions. Let your betters (pretty much everyone) do the heavy lifting here, bro.
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Because you want to pretend that his goal was state capitalism, rather than socialism. It matters because intent matters. We already went over this when we were discussing Mao.
Mikhail getting angsty because people won't put up with his bullshit excuses again.
Notice what isn't here in his post?
A cogent rebuttal to the facts presented.
No retard. I don't care about his "goal." That is not relevant at all. Not even a little bit.
There's nothing to rebut. The claim that any degree of acceptance of Marx's economic analysis is sufficient to classify that person as is fucking retarded on its face. This is just part your moronic scheme to intimate that all socialism can be reduced to Marxism. It's fucking idiotic and you're an idiot for trying it. You're not gonna slip that one past because I'm not the retard in this conversation.
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