Ding ding ding dingHe isn't saying it is going to be the end of the world you idiot. He is saying that it will get changed when we find out its going to be hurting many poor people.
We have a winner.
Ding ding ding dingHe isn't saying it is going to be the end of the world you idiot. He is saying that it will get changed when we find out its going to be hurting many poor people.
This is the part that underlies the whole "pitchforks" argument and it's the part you don't actually have evidence for. I don't think any rational person contends that a system designed for 350 million people is going to perfectly cover every case, but the scale of the uncovered cases isn't nearly as big as you're insinuating.many
I know. In Column's defense, at least he's humourous.hodj vs column was a much lighter read than this shit.
Right and the CBO was wrong:Obamacare premium rates lower than expected - Sep. 25, 2013Citation required.
And now he attacks the website
Because he's so mad he can't handle facts that don't comport to his reality. Are you Lumie's alt?
From the Kaiser family foundation's website
I'm not insinuating anything. I said that those prices are untenable long term and they'll have to be changed.This is the part that underlies the whole "pitchforks" argument and it's the part you don't actually have evidence for. I don't think any rational person contends that a system designed for 350 million people is going to perfectly cover every case, but the scale of the uncovered cases isn't nearly as big as you're insinuating.
So what, people on a bronze plan may pay 375 instead of 400 and people on the silver plan may pay 650 instead of 675. Thanks a lot guys. You really helped out there.Right and the CBO was wrong:Obamacare premium rates lower than expected - Sep. 25, 2013
FOR WHOM, EXACTLY?I'm not insinuating anything. I said that those prices are untenable long term
And the moonlanding didn't happen and the holocaust was made up and blah blah blah. Your revisionism is boring.Then you got all mad, demanded proof that these people exist, were given that proof, got mad again, hastily read the website, quoted something that you thought supported your side, got proven wrong again, got even more mad and here we are.
Yeah except you're not going to paying anything like the numbers you threw out. It's completely dishonest for you to use your family as an example WHEN YOU AREN'T.These people exist. They aren't fucking unicorns. My family is one of them. We make about 34k a year. Two students, two kids. My wife and I have never had insurance except when she had medicare because she was pregnant, our children get a combination of medicaid and KCHIP and my wife's work offers her insurance, so we aren't eligible for shit and are being forced to purchase insurance. Kindly stop being a retard. I'm for the ACA, but I'm more for it as a pathway to single payer than I am enthusiastic about the law as it stands today.
Nothing I have said or implied was ever meant, or taken, by anyone but you, as a condemnation of the law.
There's no way that makes it live without people picking up pitchforks and torches.
People on the bronze plan (in the income range you're concerned about) pay $0.So what, people on a bronze plan may pay 375 instead of 400 and people on the silver plan may pay 650 instead of 675. Thanks a lot guys. You really helped out there.
You are so desperate now to dig yourself out of this hole you're just taking wild swings at anything that might help you.
Go find us this mythical bronze plan subscriber who is paying nothing out of pocket.People on the bronze plan (in the income range you're concerned about) pay $0.
The irony of this argument being presented on a board full of MMO nerds is just astounding.And that's not even me TRYING to go in and point out that these are numbers being released by the administration, who has boggled up the launch of the websites so badly 1 in 100 people can sign up currently. Please.
There's a politics thread if you want to go argue with retarded Republicans who want to see the ACA repealed. No one in this thread wants that. We were discussing the issues like adults, and you couldn't handle it and flew off the handle over nothing, literally, over things no one said.
There's no way that makes it live without people picking up pitchforks and torches.
Who paid nothing out of pocket for healthcare pre-Obamacare?Go find us this mythical bronze plan subscriber who is paying nothing out of pocket.
We'll be waiting.
"The benchmark is the second-lowest cost "silver" policy for 48 states, upon which federal subsidies are based."Lol Mikhail, your own link shows that a family of four in Wyoming could be paying 1200 dollars a month in premiums
Literally. That chart at the top of the page.
Look at him trying to qualify and couch it now.Who paid nothing out of pocket for healthcare pre-Obamacare?
Go find us a person who has successfully signed up for ACA and is paying 0 dollars out of pocket for the Bronze plan, or kindly go back into 6 months of hiding in the hopes people forget how much you embarass yourself every time you open your mouth.People on the bronze plan (in the income range you're concerned about) pay $0.
Which out-of-pocket expenses are we talking about now? Premiums?Go find us a person who has successfully signed up for ACA and is paying 0 dollars out of pocket for the Bronze plan, or kindly go back into 6 months of hiding in the hopes people forget how much you embarass yourself every time you open your mouth.
I'm not seeing a refutation of the fact that your own link shows that families of four in Wyoming will be paying 1200 dollars PER MONTH to be insured."The benchmark is the second-lowest cost "silver" policy for 48 states, upon which federal subsidies are based."
WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? FUCKING READ DIPSHIT.
You tell me, you're the one who said they are paying 0 dollars. Sounds to me like your claim was that I can get a bronze plan for exactly 0 dollars a month, provided I pay 34% more in out of pocket expenses than I would for the silver plan if I get sick or injured.Which out-of-pocket expenses are we talking about now? Premiums?
ON THE SILVER PLAN YOU FUCKING RETARD.I'm not seeing a refutation of the fact that your own link shows that families of four in Wyoming will be paying 1200 dollars PER MONTH to be insured.
Source?about 200 dollars less a month
HOLY SHIT. SOMEONE GET CNN ON THE LINE. INSURANCE WITH CHEAPER PREMIUMS HAVE HIGHER COSTS WHEN YOU USE IT.for getting to pay 34% MORE out of pocket when they get sick, though.