Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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Someone who isn't rrp'd notify the proper authorities that the dumbgeon must be built for the sake of humanity
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
That's the entire premise of your argument. You can pretend that it isn't all day but it's super obvious that that's not true.
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So mad he can't dispute facts I bet his heart rate is sky rocketing right now.

Better make sure you sign up for at least the Silver plan there Mikhail. I forsee a lifetime of embolisms and pulmonary conditions for your future.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
Yeah how dare I strawman away your nebulous claims about the people who are going to fall through the cracks between medicaid and the federal subsidy.

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This is how sociopaths who literally cannot deal with reality rewrite history as it occurs to favor themselves.
 
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This is what I hate about this debate. Since the republicans are against ACA, some liberals simply can't take any criticism of it whatsoever without taking it personal. As if the ACA now is the greatest thing ever and we are supposed to forget how shitty it is compared to single-payer.

Newsflash you fucking tards, just because the republicans are against something, doesn't mean you have to unfailingly support it. They are against it because it helps anyone. I am pissed at the ACA because it doesn't do enough.
 
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hodj_sl said:
This is how sociopaths who literally cannot deal with reality rewrite history as it occurs to favor themselves.
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Yeah this is a much better approach than trying to show your work again by explaining the precise income levels that exist between medicaid eligibility and ability to pay for insurance (and then have the feds refund it to you). We all saw how that worked out last time...
 
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khalid_sl said:
we are supposed to forget how shitty it is compared to single-payer.
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You retards are the reason we can't get single payer. There used to be this thing called the public option. Guess who proposed it and who killed it. Of course single payer would be infinitely better. That fact doesn't make your chicken little bullshit right either.
 
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Yeah Mikhail is arguing this false premise that I'm trying to attack Obamacare. As if I'm against the ACA. He literally cannot handle just dealing with the facts that the law is imperfect and will require more retooling and work as time goes on. That's literally all I ever said. I pointed out the fact that the people it is meant to help may get hurt by this, and therefore this pricing structure probably won't survive to implementation.

In Mikhail's retard universe that translates into an attack on the ACA.

Is anyone else reading this thinking "Man, Hodj really thinks the ACA should be repealed and we should go back to THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX IT!!!!11111" except Mikhail?

Because I'm clearly just pointing out that these pricing structures are not tenable and will have to be altered to work.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
You retards are the reason we can't get single payer.
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I was for the ACA and still am.

Your argument is literally predicated on a false assumption on your part that you can't let go.

I'd ask you to kindly stop being such a retard but, well.

We already know you can't.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
Yeah this is a much better approach than trying to show your work again by explaining the precise income levels that exist between medicaid eligibility and ability to pay for insurance (and then have the feds refund it to you). We all saw how that worked out last time...
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Ask for citation. Get citation. Get mad that you can't refute it. Throw a fit. Try to project your wrongness back on others through the use of fallacy logic and retarded assumptions.

That's literally all that's happened here.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Ask for citation. Get citation. Get mad that you can't refute it.
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I did refute it dipshit. Your whole argument ignored the fact that that website showed a family of four living on $35,000 a year not buying the cheapest insurance possible (AND that website's silly assumptions about the cost of insurance).
 
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He isn't saying it is going to be the end of the world you idiot. He is saying that it will get changed when we find out its going to be hurting many poor people.
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
I did refute it dipshit. Your whole argument ignored the fact that that website showed a family of four living on $35,000 a year not buying the cheapest insurance possible (AND that website's silly assumptions about the cost of insurance).
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Citation required.

And now he attacks the website

Because he's so mad he can't handle facts that don't comport to his reality. Are you Lumie's alt?

From the Kaiser family foundation's website

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The Subsidy Calculator is based on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) as signed into law in 2010, and subsequent regulations issued by Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

Premiums in the calculator are illustrative examples in 2014 dollars derived from estimates of average premiums for 2016 from the Congressional Budget Office. We assume an average premium for a single adult enrolled in the second-lowest cost Silver plan to be $4,827 (before subsidies). This estimate was derived by multiplying the CBO estimate for a family premium by 37% (the average ratio of single to family premiums in previous CBO estimates) and then adjusting for assumed inflation and differences over time in the aggregate reinsurance pool to arrive at a 2014 estimate. Premiums could vary from this amount due to assumptions insurers make in setting premiums or the degree of competition in the market, and will also differ based on regional variations in underlying health costs. Premiums for Bronze plans are based on the estimated Silver and ratio of claims expenses between Bronze and Silver plans in the HHS actuarial value calculator.

The premium is adjusted for family size, tobacco usage, and age of the user. Premiums in the calculator vary by age within the three to one limit specified in the law, using age factors from proposed regulations issued by HHS. The calculator assumes a tobacco surcharge of 50% above the premium of a non-smoker, which is the maximum allowed under the law. Actual tobacco surcharges will vary by plan and some states do not permit insurers to vary premiums by tobacco status.

Premium subsidies are based on Silver coverage (which has an actuarial value of about 70%). Enrollees may pay a lower premium for less comprehensive coverage (i.e., a Bronze plan, with an actuarial value of 60%) or may purchase more comprehensive coverage (i.e. a Gold plan, with an actuarial value of 80% or a Platinum plan with an actuarial value of 90%). People receiving subsidies can apply their subsidy toward the purchase of more or less expensive plans, but must pay difference between the premium in the selected plan and the subsidy. Premium subsidies may not cover the cost of a tobacco surcharge.

The law also makes available a catastrophic policy for young adults and those exempted from the requirement to obtain insurance due to affordability. Catastrophic plans are less comprehensive and have a lower premium than other coverage. Eligibility to purchase catastrophic coverage is reflected in the calculator, when applicable. Premium subsidies may not be applied to catastrophic coverage.
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hodj vs column was a much lighter read than this shit.
 
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