Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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Not at all. A valid communist revolution would stop man's use of man by man. It would create an environment of a free association of labor of those men by those men, and it would remove any remnants of a class structure with regards to social relations of a society.

It hasn't been done before, not even close.

Anyone is free to call themselves a communist. Obama is called a communist, just as I've been called a radical one. Doesn't make it truth. Words have meaning, contrary to what Fox News tells us.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
Mik the thing is, people who are considered communist in history you are disregarding and labeling them as something else because your narrow definition doesn't fit.
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Yes. It's super narrow to insist that the basic power relations of capitalism disqualify an economic system from being communist. That's the narrowest.

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Everyone is stupid, even many scholars, compared to you. We get it
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If you're under the impression that there aren't tons and tons of stupid scholars out there, I have some bad news for you.
 
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I have communism in my very own home.

My cat catches bugs and I feed him in return.

Communism works!
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Not at all. A valid communist revolution would stop man's use of man by man. It would create an environment of a free association of labor of those men by those men, and it would remove any remnants of a class structure with regards to social relations of a society.

It hasn't been done before, not even close.

Anyone is free to call themselves a communist. Obama is called a communist, just as I've been called a radical one. Doesn't make it truth. Words have meaning, contrary to what Fox News tells us.
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So you would not consider Catalonia or Ukrainian Free Territory to be Communist states?
 
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Mikhail Bakunin_sl said:
Yes. It's super narrow to insist that the basic power relations of capitalism disqualify an economic system from being communist. That's the narrowest.

If you're under the impression that there aren't tons and tons of stupid scholars out there, I have some bad news for you.
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And you still remain the smartest of the smart. You knew Mao personally? Stalin? Marx? You know exactly what he means in his work?
 
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hodj_sl said:
Ah, the only marxists are Dumar and Mikhail approved ones. That argument. Again.
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Yeah cause it's not like you've been given any kind of principle to either accept or attack as incomplete. It's just flat assertions about who counts and who doesn't. It's done completely ad hoc. Good job, dipshit.

hodj_sl said:
If a person dedicates their life to studying Marx, and writing Marxist theory. They're a Marxist.
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Even if the "Marxist theory" they write directly contradicts Marx. Got it.

hodj_sl said:
No, see, it does matter. Why, if those "communists" were only using Marx's words for personal gain, should ANYONE, EVER, EVER AGAIN, not think the same of ANYONE claiming to want to bring about a Marxist revolution?
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Because that's completely retarded?

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Hmmm chucklefuck? You're refuting your own credibility with this argument. You're literally saying that the ONLY valid communist revolution is your own. Surprise.that's exactly what Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. all said about THEIR revolutions too
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If only someone had had some sort of standard to judge their ideas by... No? Oh well I guess we just have to rely on their self-applied labels!

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Right, nothing is enough, even if we have to tear the evil people with a tiny percentage more than ourselves apart with claws and teeth!
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lol


I love how you didn't even TRY to grasp what that passage was about.
 
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Dumar says words have meaning, while he and Mikhail are literally simultaneously arguing that the word communist has no meaning, that it is so intangible it cannot be touched. It is literally a unicorn, oft talked about but rarely seen.

Projection kiddos.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
Communism is at once a complete system of proletarian ideology and a new social system. It is different from any other ideological and social system, and is the most complete, progressive, revolutionary and rational system in human history. The ideological and social system of feudalism has a place only in the museum of history. The ideological and social system of capitalism has also become a museum piece in one part of the world (in the Soviet Union), while in other countries it resembles "a dying person who is sinking fast, like the sun setting beyond the western hills", and will soon be relegated to the museum. The communist ideological and social system alone is full of youth and vitality, sweeping the world with the momentum of an avalanche and the force of a thunderbolt.--Mao Zedong

Sure sounds like he believed he was a communist
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Yeah bro, the word communism was in there like at least a couple times.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
Not at all. A valid communist revolution would stop man's use of man by man. It would create an environment of a free association of labor of those men by those men, and it would remove any remnants of a class structure with regards to social relations of a society.
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So nothing is a communist revolution until its perfect and has no flaws. Gotcha. Good luck waiting for that to happen.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
And you still remain the smartest of the smart. You knew Mao personally? Stalin? Marx? You know exactly what he means in his work?
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He reads their minds so he knows their true intentions were to become arch capitalists, veritable Henry Fords or John D Rockefeller.

But again, Dumar, Mikhail: If the case is that no communist revolution has been a true communist revolution, why should we be pining for the days when the next false communist revolution comes?

Its a self defeating argument.
 
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khalid_sl said:
So nothing is a communist revolution until its perfect and has no flaws. Gotcha. Good luck waiting for that to happen.
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And nothing is a truly Fascist revolution until its perfect and has no flaws as well.

Isn't the immutable logic of sound religious dogma so beautiful and neat and perfect and clean?
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
All you communist seem like religious fanatics to me.
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Bingo.

And I am a man who truly believes in No Gods and No Kings. Hence why I reject radical ideologies, and sit back and laugh and ridicule American politics constantly.

Also I hate basketball.
 
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khalid_sl said:
So nothing is a communist revolution until its perfect and has no flaws. Gotcha. Good luck waiting for that to happen.
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Like I said before I can see communism becoming how human society finally becomes but only after some major technological breakthroughs, essentially a new means of energy and the singularity.

Mik ignored that and said Cataloni and UFT were awesome places.
 
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