Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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ZyyzYzzy
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I hate basketball too. I use to be good and love it up until highschool when you know being 6'3" was huge in a predominately upper class white environment. Oh how my dreams were crushed the first time we played a city school.
The context was the personIwas talking to. You're not gonna be able to this little sleight of hand with me. I'm not the one who's retarded here.
So in addition to being ignorant of the necessary conditions of socialism, you're also ignorant of what the actual socialist criticisms of capitalism are. Well I guess that makes sense.
Right, because it's just a matter of my opinion and not at all a matter of applying some kind of standard by which we might measure their claims. We just have to accept those claims cause...you know...they said them.
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I just live around people who literally worship local college basketball like a new Saint in the Catholic church.
Christ are the fucking retarded about UK basketball around here.
You're not understanding. The "communists" there were essentially soviet satellite forces. Those weren't the socialists.
I might consider themcommunistic, as in they have tendencies or policies that try (succeed or fail) to promote socialist ideals or even communism. But full, real communism as defined by Marx? Assuredly no. I don't know enough about them to comment, except that Catalonia has gorgeous communist women.Araysar_sl said:
I can't control what other people think, call themselves, and each other. Capitalism is pro at doing that.
It's not intangible, I just told you what it was. It's about the emancipation of labor at its heart, not subjecting labor to a State that replaced a group of capitalists.
Well you're completely making up shit at this point. I honestly can't tell if its deliberate or if I've just been wasting my time talking to someone that genuinely fucking stupid that he can't keep basic facts straight in his head. If it's the second, then yeah I'm a little upset, but mostly at myself really. I mean if you're that fucking stupid you can't really help it.
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Dumar do you think a communist society, the utopia that Marx describes is possible currently?
Yeah that's what I thought. You've got nothing. You do this every single time. As soon as we get into the particulars of political taxonomy and what an actual rational approach here is, you just run away with this weak ass dodge bullshit. You suck, bro.
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What? No it wasn't. Jesus Christ you're so mad you literally have lost your fucking mind.
Again.
Yeah no.
No, its about applying a standard metric that isn't so ideologically slender that literally nothing fits into that definition except your masturbatory fantasies you came up high on mushrooms one night.
Literally everything I've applied has been what would be considered a standard metric in any other scenario. Was the person prolifically known in their field? Yes. Did they lead a large movement that labeled itself in a certain way? Yes. Did that person claim they were X? Yes. You're the one coming up with absurd metrics that literally no one but Dumar agrees should be applied, then crying when we all laugh at how you think we're stupid enough to fall for an intellectually dishonest revisionist history that innoculates exclusively your ideology from all reproach, even the reproach EARNED BY THE RESULTS OF ITS OWN ACTIONS.
Save it kiddo. Your appeals fall on deaf ears.
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Do communist get together and read verses, erm excerpts from the manifesto on Tuesdays (the most neutral of days)?
I don't know man...it is in the name and I've heard it from a very reputable source that that's what really matters. I mean they DO call themselves democratic and I've heard they have DEMOCRATIC elections where (where the winners come in in a landslide). Sounds like they're a democracy to me, bro.
And you know it didn't contradict anything in that theory because the word Marxism is right there in the name.
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But Mikhail said that Marx didn't define Communism and so his definition doesn't matter. Now you're telling us that nothing that's ever happened actually fit Marx's definition, so it doesn't matter. Which is it?
But Communism, you know, with all the disappearing people to gulags, slaughtering them in the street, letting them starve to death in their homes during the Soviet winter, none of this way any good at controlling anyone, right?
Becauseit wasn't really Communism
But of course, if Capitalists are starving people, sending them to gulags, slaughtering them in the street, letting them starve to death in the homes during the North American winter, wellthen its clearly all Capitalism's fault
But this isn't a case of special pleading. oh no.
Ex post facto revisionism at its finest.
Also what the fuck does emanicipation of labor at its heart MEAN, and why does it MATTER when most LABOR is going to be replaced by ROBOTS long long long before Marx's vision (or Marx's NOT VISION according to Mikhail) comes true?
Derp.
You're literally so stupid you think an argument about the proper approach to taxonomy is has to do with intentions vs. results. I literally don't know what to say. What can men do against such reckless stupidity?
Communism is when someone calls something communist. That's introductory logic.
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Results you say. Then there has never been a communist because there has never existed a true communist society
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