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Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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hodj
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The Revolution exists solely as a means to install dictatorships. It can accomplish no other end. The very act of the Revolution sows the seeds for its eventual demise. This is the hard, cold truth Mikhail and Dumar simply cannot acknowledge, because they are willing pawns, malicious willful actors in a farce meant to obfuscate history and reality in order to better enable the eventual rise of the Dictatorship.
Power is a means to an end, and no one seizes power and then willingly gives it away.
Oh and there's your boy, George Orwell, Socialist, comparing Communists and Fascists.
I know that probably has to make you pretty angsty.
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Meat, potatoes and corn, the 3 staples of a true american diet, and yet you are strangely against 2 of them. I bet you are a closet vegetarian.
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Serious question:
So my father owns about 1k acres of farmland. He started with 10 acres of family land that he had from when his father and mother died when he was a teenager. He worked as a civil engineer for 30 years, saving every last bit of money he had. He lived like a pauper basically, only spending any money the 2 years he was married to my mother. Ended up buying 200 acres with his savings, then expanded it 10 years later and then 10 years after that to what he has now. He has hired people to farm it now that he is older, but he spends every day going around that land, driving around in his 4wheeler. The most fun thing in the world for him is just going around it, his pride in getting that legacy is to pass on to me is his everlasting joy.
How are you going to distribute that land from people like that? You think every farmer is going to willingly give it up? He would die for that land now. I would to. I would pack up from my classroom and head right there at a moments notice. I just don't see a way to get people off land like that without a violent revolution. Good luck with that in a country with this many guns. People like my father are the ones with the arsenal.
So my father owns about 1k acres of farmland. He started with 10 acres of family land that he had from when his father and mother died when he was a teenager. He worked as a civil engineer for 30 years, saving every last bit of money he had. He lived like a pauper basically, only spending any money the 2 years he was married to my mother. Ended up buying 200 acres with his savings, then expanded it 10 years later and then 10 years after that to what he has now. He has hired people to farm it now that he is older, but he spends every day going around that land, driving around in his 4wheeler. The most fun thing in the world for him is just going around it, his pride in getting that legacy is to pass on to me is his everlasting joy.
How are you going to distribute that land from people like that? You think every farmer is going to willingly give it up? He would die for that land now. I would to. I would pack up from my classroom and head right there at a moments notice. I just don't see a way to get people off land like that without a violent revolution. Good luck with that in a country with this many guns. People like my father are the ones with the arsenal.
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hodj
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If you owned enough land to actually farm, you were most definitely not the peasantry.
And serfs forced to pay grain taxes on the amount of harvest they bring in tend to make pretty piss poor farmers.
Peasants also tend to include the urban poor. Ship them out of the cities to the farming collectives so they can grow food for the party elites.
You think, for instance, the average Roman plebe knew shit about how to grow a field of grain?
I don't think they did.
That's why they sat around begging for the grain dole and rioted when they didn't get it.
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You have to understand, Comrade, your father did not earn any of this. His privilege as a white male allowed him the opportunity to receive an education. His status as the son of land owners allowed him the privilege of inheriting that land. He may have scrimped and saved, but that was only possible because he was benefitting directly from the savage foundation of this nation, the mass extermination of millions of indigenous peoples who lands were stripped from them, stolen away, replaced with smallpox ridden blankets and forced marches to reservations.
Nothing he has he earned. Everything he has, Comrade, because he was exploiting the surplus labor of others.
All must be returned to those who truly earned it, the proletariat, and by that I mean the Party, and by that I mean the State.
Before I make my awesome but lengthy post (which is really good so far, but the length is inescapable), I would encourage khalid and Beagle to watch this quick ten minute clip from one of Harvey's lectures, as some of what I'll be talking about is discussed within.
The key point, to begin to address the question of what to do about our modern society, of what to do or where go to with regards to transforming it into a truly free society, of growth and free association of the individual begins with a discussion aboutrights at the point of production. You've probably never heard this, as any mention of rights, especially constitutionally speaking, is almost strictly limited to personal, property, and market. If you don't want to watch it, that's fine; it's not a requirement, only helpful in understanding.
We'll be discussing these rights at the point of production, capital accumulation and crises in modern capitalism, the pathological consequences of the market system and its effect on individuals, and finally, the road we should take in transitioning to real communism and its role in achieving the fullest of human potential, or, as Marx called it, the point where real human history begins.
The key point, to begin to address the question of what to do about our modern society, of what to do or where go to with regards to transforming it into a truly free society, of growth and free association of the individual begins with a discussion aboutrights at the point of production. You've probably never heard this, as any mention of rights, especially constitutionally speaking, is almost strictly limited to personal, property, and market. If you don't want to watch it, that's fine; it's not a requirement, only helpful in understanding.
We'll be discussing these rights at the point of production, capital accumulation and crises in modern capitalism, the pathological consequences of the market system and its effect on individuals, and finally, the road we should take in transitioning to real communism and its role in achieving the fullest of human potential, or, as Marx called it, the point where real human history begins.
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