Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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khalid
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I really hate religion. Hard to think how life can get better for people who are living with groups that would rather celebrate death than live peacefully.
Good. We as a people all over the world would be so much better off if we have a shitload more nuclear power plants and less coal power plants. Also, fuck off with wind and solar. Sure they are great, come talk to me when they can be done to the scale of nuclear.
Loser Araysar
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Wind and solar are actually being done on same scale as nuclear in terms of MW produced, they are actually cheaper to install, maintain and decommission than nuclear, they offer none of the risks of nuclear and they are profitable even without government subsidies
Nuclear plants are the new coal plants.
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The problem with educating people about communism in America is the word. No way anyone in this country will ever have an open mind about it. A war of ideas is certainly preferable to wholesale slaughter, but for communism to work you have to take peoples toys away from them and I don't see how that can ever happen.
Hell, I don't think you could even get a city like Portlandia to convert to full on socialism, much less our entire country.
Hell, I don't think you could even get a city like Portlandia to convert to full on socialism, much less our entire country.
Absolutely. And the first step actually has nothing whatsoever to do with communism. It'seducating people about capitalism. The word socialist or communist isn't even needed because, at first in step 1, we're not even concerned with them.
hodj
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Well, you know, 10 million dead was enough to make the words National Socialism and Fascism reviled forever, for good reason.
So 150 million dead should probably result in the same impact.
Seems like the bigger the body count, the easier the crimes become to ignore.
Why would a nation like America, even if she falls to 2nd place behind China economically, ever willingly agree to join a movement which desires at its utmost to strip away that economic and military strength and spread it out to every other nation on Earth? The International Revolution will REQUIRE absolute resource redistribution from the wealthiest and most powerful nations to the weakest and while there may be some vast scales of intergalatic justice that are somewhat righted by such an action, like that really matters to anyone in their every day lives.
Yes, it's a very long process. And Marx spoke of this process. You can't just snap a finger and install communism like some software. Society has to be ready for it. That is, the forces of production in the current society, and the classes within it, have to reach a certain level of antagonism that it'll boil over, so to speak. The way feudalistic society was organized could not support the invading role of industrial production. So concepts of guild craft were thrown away to pave the way for these new productive forces.
In much the same way, when the boiler tips again, the concepts of a company or corporation as the driver of productive forces will be tossed to the wayside. And they should be, because it's just different window dressing for the same type of exploitative relationship, a better one, but still the same.
hodj
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Hmmm, where else have I heard that faith and patience will lead to eventual salvation....?
I know it was somewhere....
Anyway, who thinks sitting around "waiting for the world to be ready" is another massive cop out argument?
How can the means of production revolt when its all mechanized?
Companies are just organizations of people, Dumar. Even if you remove the title, they're still going to exist.
Call them Flipnipbobs, and they're still going to be necessary. Division of labor is necessary. Specialization is extremely necessary. Marx thought all Science would be unified, the fact is that all science has become more and more splintered, more specialized. We see this throughout the economy. Your system can't even take specialization of labor into account, apparently, since there will be no organization, no structure, no management and no shareholders.
Dumar wants society to strip away every evolved adaptation that allows modern society to exist, and then expects modern society to survive this process. Its ridiculous.
I know it was somewhere....
Anyway, who thinks sitting around "waiting for the world to be ready" is another massive cop out argument?
How can the means of production revolt when its all mechanized?
Companies are just organizations of people, Dumar. Even if you remove the title, they're still going to exist.
Call them Flipnipbobs, and they're still going to be necessary. Division of labor is necessary. Specialization is extremely necessary. Marx thought all Science would be unified, the fact is that all science has become more and more splintered, more specialized. We see this throughout the economy. Your system can't even take specialization of labor into account, apparently, since there will be no organization, no structure, no management and no shareholders.
Dumar wants society to strip away every evolved adaptation that allows modern society to exist, and then expects modern society to survive this process. Its ridiculous.
khalid
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So what you are saying is that society needs enough education to be truly outraged at the situation they are in, so they will have a violent revolt? Is this your way to get rid of people wanting their toys, by having them killed? Or am I misunderstanding?
It's a first step on the road forward from capitalism. It's not the answer to a full transition to real communism. Just picture a serf being totally ignorant of his situation under the feudalistic model, and when asked, hereally did believethat his lord and king were rulers by handed-down divine right. They were ignorant of their own situation and the role they played in the productive forces of society.
That structure got thrown away, overthrown with changes in production and changes in thought that influenced cultural institutions. The same thing is to happen again. I'll address some of the next steps in part 2, some of which have been done successfully in the Scandinavian models of socialism, which again, are still steps along the way.
hodj
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Im willing to bet about as many peasants truly believed their King was placed on his throne by God as there were people who actually believed the world was flat, which is to say, almost none.
Anyway, so the violence comes as a necessary first step on the road from Capitalism. Yet you're denying that all the violence caused by the Maoist and other regimes weren't Marxist doctrine now.
Contradicting yourself much?
Anyway, so the violence comes as a necessary first step on the road from Capitalism. Yet you're denying that all the violence caused by the Maoist and other regimes weren't Marxist doctrine now.
Contradicting yourself much?
And you would know little of literary criticism. I'll introduce you to another anthropologist you should know but likely don't:Ren? Girard
hodj
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I don't need you to introduce me to anyone, I need you to answer why you said on the one hand that mass slaughter and executions were criteria which excluded someone from being a Marxists, while simultaneously stating that a necessary condition of your revolution involves outright violent revolution.
hodj
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Little crickets chirping when Derpmar can't answer simple basic questions that he himself brought to the fore, like insisting violent revolution is a necessary first step of the Revolution, while denying all the violence done in the name of past Revolutions is related to the Marxist doctrine.
Which is it chuckle fuck? Violence is reprehensible, inhumane and not part of Marx's literature, or violence is a necessary condition of the revolution?
And how the fuck is a revolution of the poor going to go against nation states with nuclear weapons and access to WMD, biological diseases, drones and tanks and aircraft carriers, exactly?
You sound like the fucking idiot right wingers who declare that they're gonna "TAKE UP ARMS AND MARCH ON THE MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!"
Good luck with that.
Which is it chuckle fuck? Violence is reprehensible, inhumane and not part of Marx's literature, or violence is a necessary condition of the revolution?
And how the fuck is a revolution of the poor going to go against nation states with nuclear weapons and access to WMD, biological diseases, drones and tanks and aircraft carriers, exactly?
You sound like the fucking idiot right wingers who declare that they're gonna "TAKE UP ARMS AND MARCH ON THE MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!"
Good luck with that.
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it's the folly of positive liberty trying to change everything.
Naturally some people think they are better than others, so they can begin to think that they know what the true self of other people are, and in that position taken to the extreme enough they are willing to commit all kind of acts, bully, murder, repress, in the name of the derived true self that's hijacked by marx's "false consciousness" theory over the actual wishes of individuals.
Naturally some people think they are better than others, so they can begin to think that they know what the true self of other people are, and in that position taken to the extreme enough they are willing to commit all kind of acts, bully, murder, repress, in the name of the derived true self that's hijacked by marx's "false consciousness" theory over the actual wishes of individuals.
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i had this weird dream, bros. alien planet suddenly appeared right next to earth. i got on the spaceship and floated around the planet.
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