Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Gravel

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These are some bizarre talking points. Third person is now carebear?

It's no wonder they can shove all kinds of retarded shit into games. And I'm not even talking about this one. Gamers are fucking idiots.
 

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What event are you referencing? When did this happen and to what game(s)?

Vanguard. They all bullied Silius into removing faction and killed on sight faction and bullied him into giving them flying mount travel hubs and a bunch of other nonsense. Then they all quit.
 

Quaid

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Vanguard. They all bullied Silius into removing faction and killed on sight faction and bullied him into giving them flying mount travel hubs and a bunch of other nonsense. Then they all quit.

Vanguard was dead on arrival. People quit because the game sucked from day one.

Next.
 
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Siliconemelons

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Classic EQ had a bad case of difficulty vs reward, more so than bad dundgeon design etc.

Like befallen, one the the “biggest” loots there the bone bladed claymore was crap when compared to a similar camp elsewhere with better and more plentiful rewards.

Etc. OG paw etc
 

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I haven't read all of the retarded drivel on the past couple pages but I will put forward that as much as I love M&M, if the boat ride is actually 4 hours long then you can bet I will never ride it (except when I'm planning on logging off for the day - I heard that you can log out on it and then log back in at your destination later). Max I could stand to ride an in-game boat would be 1 hour, and that's only if I can fish on it or fight pirates.
 
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Kithani

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These are some bizarre talking points. Third person is now carebear?

It's no wonder they can shove all kinds of retarded shit into games. And I'm not even talking about this one. Gamers are fucking idiots.
Third person is definitely lame and misses a lot of what made EQ great.
 

Sylas

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except everquest literally had 3rd person camera so wtf are you talking about?

Default was 1st person in a tiny window with massive grey UI surrounding it but you could flip through views to full screen and then full screen 3rd person.

you only stayed in first person when you were in some safe ass camp waiting on respawns clearing shit, shooting the shit with people. any time you needed any kind of situational awareness you went into 3rd person view.

starting to think some of you motherfuckers never played everquest you just romanticized some idea of it from old stories off the internet
 
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Burns

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Third person is definitely lame and misses a lot of what made EQ great.
I played all 3 years(?) of Everquest (from release until WoW release) in 1st person and though it was great (mostly quad kiting druid and rogue for group stuff).

Tried it in this game, Adrullan, and THJ but just couldn't go back to it. It's very hard to return to relying on sound to hear shit sneaking up on you when sight in 3rd person is so much more superior for situational awareness. Moreso when getting a single add usually means XP loss death and long run backs.

First person also feels extremely claustrophobic after playing so long in 3rd person.
 
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Kithani

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except everquest literally had 3rd person camera so wtf are you talking about?

Default was 1st person in a tiny window with massive grey UI surrounding it but you could flip through views to full screen and then full screen 3rd person.

you only stayed in first person when you were in some safe ass camp waiting on respawns clearing shit, shooting the shit with people. any time you needed any kind of situational awareness you went into 3rd person view.

starting to think some of you motherfuckers never played everquest you just romanticized some idea of it from old stories off the internet
The F9 camera switches were not the default for exploring areas because they were kinda shitty. I definitely used them in super open areas to kite though
 

Locnar

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except everquest literally had 3rd person camera so wtf are you talking about?

Default was 1st person in a tiny window with massive grey UI surrounding it but you could flip through views to full screen and then full screen 3rd person.

you only stayed in first person when you were in some safe ass camp waiting on respawns clearing shit, shooting the shit with people. any time you needed any kind of situational awareness you went into 3rd person view.

starting to think some of you motherfuckers never played everquest you just romanticized some idea of it from old stories off the internet

It was not true 3rd person but a pain in the ass view with a fixed camera, which is why NO one used it except in special circumstances.

Everyone played in 1st person and that increased immersion and made you rely on teamwork and aural senses too.
 

Siliconemelons

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I had a scroll wheel mouse (thanks free microsoft recall to anyone that asked for a new explorer mouse!) before it was widespread so, 1st person and scroll out as needed (once that was a thing...was it always a thing?) if I got back to p99 thats how I play, the f9 (whatever) camera change views were just for snazzy screen shots!
 

Kithani

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I had a scroll wheel mouse (thanks free microsoft recall to anyone that asked for a new explorer mouse!) before it was widespread so, 1st person and scroll out as needed (once that was a thing...was it always a thing?) if I got back to p99 thats how I play, the f9 (whatever) camera change views were just for snazzy screen shots!
Mouse scroll in EQ wasn’t a thing until well after PoP, you guys just don’t remember it because p99 uses a newer client. Ironically it was a feature first brought to you by… WoW
 
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Gravel

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Mousewheel confirmed carebear.

If you're not using a 486 on a 14.4k you're a faggot pussy and you should just go play WoW.
 
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Siliconemelons

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Mouse scroll in EQ wasn’t a thing until well after PoP, you guys just don’t remember it because p99 uses a newer client. Ironically it was a feature first brought to you by… WoW
yup memberberries not wishstanding here folks

I did f9 to the behind the back one, and had muscle memory back to the 1st person... but I really do not remember all of the timelines
 

Sylas

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It was not true 3rd person but a pain in the ass view with a fixed camera, which is why NO one used it except in special circumstances.

Everyone played in 1st person and that increased immersion and made you rely on teamwork and aural senses too.
Wrong again, maybe everyone on the retard server did this but on normal servers many of us played late at night and couldn't crank up the altec speakers with our sound blaster pro cards for any aural cues. Hell half of us played with sound off entirely.

Yes first person was more immersive for sure and in narrow hallways like guk it was easier to navigate but anywhere else 3rd person was better and non tards didn't stay in 1st person. By kunark ie sebilis they made dungeon ceilings higher so that you see in 3rd person and that it was started the 500 ft ceilings in dungeons.
 

your_mum

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actual mouse wheel zoom didnt come out until like GoD... that fucky f9 shit + zoom out (which affected z-axis) definitely wasn't the main choice for most people, maybe for tanks. so im gonna say sebilis designed for 3rd person is fake news
 
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Daidraco

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I stared at fucking feet all fucking day as a Tank. My retarded ass stayed in 1st person all the way through TOV. Couldnt stand 3rd person because "I" thought it was jhanky as fuck. My screen caps are, or were, on the way back machine for the site. Iirc, Secrets Quarm server uses an early client, and even though thats "updated" - 3rd person is still fucking god awful to use and that just goes to show how fucking terrible 3rd person was in the OG client (ie. Before Fear came out).

Feel like all of you are on some "member' berries" bullshit.
 
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Araxen

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I never played in first person. You lose to much information. Eventually you just get get used to using F9. Using Zeal on Quarm is just like if you were playing WoW. It works flawlessly.