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Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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I just hit 16 on wizard and got Exodus, I may have to try this out. I made my way into Vale of Zintar the other night but was tired and died, just got my corpse back and gated without exploring anything there.
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I meant in EQ during Velious, but Wizards in MnM get the best/most ports (or so I have been told), so yeah, it's much easier to explore everything in this game too. For Vale in particular you need see invis up.
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I played a lot more this weekend, and I have to say I really like the Elementalist (aka Mage).
At this point, I've figured out the whole selling items thing. It takes a bit, but understanding which NPCs buy which items makes a huge difference. Once you get it figured out, it becomes pretty easy to make money in the game.
I will say that you want to take Tailoring just so you get a bag that can hold random crap. I found that some of the crafting would give you a bag that required specific items to be able to use it as a "bag" for your random crap you pick up. Tailoring kit tends to hold pretty much anything if it isn't big. You want to purchase pouches as quickly as possible as you make money. You can buy them for about 50 copper from an NPC in the Night Market.
The cook near the bank (west gate area) is your best friend. He buys pretty much anything you get off of animals and bugs you kill. Go visit him to make your money as you grind up your first few levels.
As far as starter quests, some are worth doing while others are not (at least for now). One in particular that can go fuck itself is the Shadowknight quest. After you gather the items you need (which is really easy to do), you can't turn it in until you go beat up a guard in the Paladin area. You hand him a note, and he attacks you immediately. He's a push over, but the little shit knows he has high level guards that path around him, so he is aware you are going to get one shot at some point in your fight with him. The prick uses that to his advantage. You will see shadowknight corpses littered all over the area where he paths. Fuck him. I can't wait until my SK is higher level and I can come back to kill every fucking guard and paladin in that tower. They all deserve to die miserably for the torcher of recovering my corpse over and over while trying to do an entry level class quest. Death to the paladins!
So far, I have tried the paladin, shadowknight, shaman, necromancer, wizard, and elementalist. The elementalist has been my favorite thus far. He is sitting at level 7 right now.
I will say that those who say this is not the second coming of Everquest haven't played the game yet because you literally go from the deserts outside the west gate to the beaches where you kill crocks and every so often see someone train a sand giant by to the zone line. If that isn't Desert of Ro and Oasis of Mar, I don't know what is. This game gives such Everquest 1999 vibes, and I love it.!
My only wish right now is that they don't end up selling to Daybreak Games nor let Daybreak Games be the publisher. It would 100% ruin it for me if DBG ever got involved in any way shape or form because the people at DBG today do not deserve this jewel of a game. Please for the love of God stay away from them and their "we have candy" routines they play on small developers. All it leads to is shitty expansions, horrible customer support, corrupt GMs, and lots of free pride pets every year that nobody ever fucking asked for nor give two shits about getting. Stay a GOOD game for the love God and avoid the evil that is DBG or what ever they call themselves from year to year.
At this point, I've figured out the whole selling items thing. It takes a bit, but understanding which NPCs buy which items makes a huge difference. Once you get it figured out, it becomes pretty easy to make money in the game.
I will say that you want to take Tailoring just so you get a bag that can hold random crap. I found that some of the crafting would give you a bag that required specific items to be able to use it as a "bag" for your random crap you pick up. Tailoring kit tends to hold pretty much anything if it isn't big. You want to purchase pouches as quickly as possible as you make money. You can buy them for about 50 copper from an NPC in the Night Market.
The cook near the bank (west gate area) is your best friend. He buys pretty much anything you get off of animals and bugs you kill. Go visit him to make your money as you grind up your first few levels.
As far as starter quests, some are worth doing while others are not (at least for now). One in particular that can go fuck itself is the Shadowknight quest. After you gather the items you need (which is really easy to do), you can't turn it in until you go beat up a guard in the Paladin area. You hand him a note, and he attacks you immediately. He's a push over, but the little shit knows he has high level guards that path around him, so he is aware you are going to get one shot at some point in your fight with him. The prick uses that to his advantage. You will see shadowknight corpses littered all over the area where he paths. Fuck him. I can't wait until my SK is higher level and I can come back to kill every fucking guard and paladin in that tower. They all deserve to die miserably for the torcher of recovering my corpse over and over while trying to do an entry level class quest. Death to the paladins!
So far, I have tried the paladin, shadowknight, shaman, necromancer, wizard, and elementalist. The elementalist has been my favorite thus far. He is sitting at level 7 right now.
I will say that those who say this is not the second coming of Everquest haven't played the game yet because you literally go from the deserts outside the west gate to the beaches where you kill crocks and every so often see someone train a sand giant by to the zone line. If that isn't Desert of Ro and Oasis of Mar, I don't know what is. This game gives such Everquest 1999 vibes, and I love it.!
My only wish right now is that they don't end up selling to Daybreak Games nor let Daybreak Games be the publisher. It would 100% ruin it for me if DBG ever got involved in any way shape or form because the people at DBG today do not deserve this jewel of a game. Please for the love of God stay away from them and their "we have candy" routines they play on small developers. All it leads to is shitty expansions, horrible customer support, corrupt GMs, and lots of free pride pets every year that nobody ever fucking asked for nor give two shits about getting. Stay a GOOD game for the love God and avoid the evil that is DBG or what ever they call themselves from year to year.
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You can kill Noel around level 3 pretty easy. Just have to be smart where you engage him. In the tower is a bit of a cluster. But one of the stair landings worked for me. Or outside the inn.
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If there's one thing the MMO genre was begging for in 2025, it was absolutely another EverQuest tribute band. Truly groundbreaking stuff. Nothing says "innovation" like reinstalling the same 1999 friction systems that every game since has been trying to evolve past.
It's actually kind of impressive how deeply people have fallen in love with nostalgia as a lifestyle. We're basically at the point where gaming is the emotional equivalent of eating kid cereal in your mid-30s and calling it a personality.
This is exactly like Hollywood's decade+ of sequels and reboots. Except the general audience finally started to notice their scam and walk away. Meanwhile gamers? They're still lining up for their fourth serving of "Remember That Thing™".
It's bleak, honestly. Every time one of these "old school returns" pops up, the same 5,000 dudes show up to roleplay being 14 again, swear this will be the one that saves the genre, and then evaporate the second the novelty wears off. But hey, we get the games we deserve. And right now, we deserve reruns.
It's actually kind of impressive how deeply people have fallen in love with nostalgia as a lifestyle. We're basically at the point where gaming is the emotional equivalent of eating kid cereal in your mid-30s and calling it a personality.
This is exactly like Hollywood's decade+ of sequels and reboots. Except the general audience finally started to notice their scam and walk away. Meanwhile gamers? They're still lining up for their fourth serving of "Remember That Thing™".
It's bleak, honestly. Every time one of these "old school returns" pops up, the same 5,000 dudes show up to roleplay being 14 again, swear this will be the one that saves the genre, and then evaporate the second the novelty wears off. But hey, we get the games we deserve. And right now, we deserve reruns.
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Did you take your Geritol grandpa? Also, your depends are sagging.
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Daidraco
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To parachute into the thread and write novels about their disdain for the game, over, and over, and over again every time someone says they like the game is just insane to me. Especially when its an indie project game that hasnt charged anything. Pantheon, I could at least understand - but this game? What the fuck? lol
Necro I got to 8, and they seem to have a good kit. Bard I got to 10, they need to fix instruments - but still a fun class to play even when its not at its full potential.
Wizard, I leveled up today with my bards help to 5. Looking at their kit, they need a lot of help. Theyre a low APM class, and I like that about Wizards generally. But someone should go back to the drawing board with some of their abilities. The stuff they didnt copy from EverQuest just seems poorly thought out. I tried to help with the design of the Wizard on EverGrind Online as well - but its a lot easier to design a class when you dont have to do any of the work of implementing any of it. (Though I could with this being Unity.)
Anyways - GM stopped by and talked to us in Wyrmsbane, ha.
Merchant thing actually not near as bad as I thought it would be, either. I even ran things from shifty to its appropriate vendor, just to see if it works like they said it would, and it does. The only thing I think holding it back is that there are still items out there that drop every other mob it feels like - and no vendor, not even shifty, will take them. Fish Bones being a big one since you yourself hunted crocs. Sure, broth or w/e. But if thats the case - the cook, or brewing supplies should take them. Or maybe leather supplies, used as needles etc. But Im guessing it just hasnt been coded/linked to a vendor yet.
Necro I got to 8, and they seem to have a good kit. Bard I got to 10, they need to fix instruments - but still a fun class to play even when its not at its full potential.
Wizard, I leveled up today with my bards help to 5. Looking at their kit, they need a lot of help. Theyre a low APM class, and I like that about Wizards generally. But someone should go back to the drawing board with some of their abilities. The stuff they didnt copy from EverQuest just seems poorly thought out. I tried to help with the design of the Wizard on EverGrind Online as well - but its a lot easier to design a class when you dont have to do any of the work of implementing any of it. (Though I could with this being Unity.)
Anyways - GM stopped by and talked to us in Wyrmsbane, ha.
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Dorf skellie form is pretty great. I got rat formed for awhile yesterday.
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My 7 Ele is on Relle. Name is Zippie. If anybody is on Relle and can drag a 7 elementalist along to do some dungeon content before the public test ends this week, I would love to get the opportunity to check out a dungeon. So far, all I have done is crocks and bandits out in the desert.
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The game is just a vehicle to socialization and the idea of adventure. It is D&D for people who don't know 3 other local people to get together with for weekly shenanigans. The systems don't really matter, as long as it takes time and effort with a team to accomplish something. If 'gamers' want to play the next cutting edge MMO, there are plenty which you can drop your p2w cash into, go through daily gacha mechanics to keep you hooked, and then inevitably fizzle out because they didn't care about being an MMO in the first place. Your top three choices for successful western MMOs are GW2, ESO, and WoW. 10-15-20 year old games. There is no innovation anymore in the MMO market, shit there isn't anything in the MMO market more recent than a decade ago, so yea might be an EQ clone, but its not like there is anything better right now.
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I’m wondering if there are any guilds recruiting - I’ve been playing MMOs since Velious and am very interested in end game competitive raiding. Apologies if I missed any recruitment posts - I haven’t read through the whole thread.
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Kirun
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You're out here throwing "grandpa" jokes while still worshipping design philosophies from the Clinton administration. Brother, if anyone here is signaling retirement-home energy, it's the guy defending mechanics older than Windows XP.
It's giving serious divorced dad talking about how "football used to be real" energy. Touch grass. Or literally anything that wasn't designed when DSL was considered wizard tech.
Oh no, no, no don't get confused. This isn't me "parachuting into the thread to spread disdain" because I'm mad someone likes a game. This is me pointing out (repeatedly, because apparently repetition is required for you folks that can't let go of the past) that a game literally built on 25-year-old friction mechanics, zero modern retention structure, and a "we don’t need players, we only need The Faithful™" philosophy is about to face-plant into the exact same crater every EQ nostalgia project has fallen into for two decades.
I'm not mad that you like the game. Go like it. Go love it. Hell, build a shrine to your rat cave grind if that's what warms your heart. I'm pushing back because every time anyone says, "Hey, maybe we should uh… think about population sustainability, progression pacing, or content lifecycle," the response is: "Shut up, bro, this is for the chosen ones who appreciate artisanal tedium!!"
And that's how you get Pantheon 2: The Poopsockening.
You're acting like pointing out structural, inevitable, historically-proven failures is some kind of emotional meltdown. No, this is pattern recognition. Every game that banks on nostalgia + friction over content dies. Every "no raids, just grouping forever" MMO flatlines after month one. Every "we only need 2-5k subs" dream collapses when the revenue math comes due. And being "indie" does not magically exempt you from gravity. You don't get extra credit because the devs are nice and the trees were hand-placed with love. Ask Ember's Adrift. Ask Pantheon. Ask Vanguard. The market does not care how earnest your campfire vibes are.
So yeah, I'll keep pointing it out. And you can keep pretending pointing it out is "insanity," because that's easier than engaging with the part where the math and the market reality and the last 20 years of MMO history are all saying the same thing: Nostalgia is not a business plan.
There is innovation, you just don't like it because innovation means changing the thing you've emotionally fused with your teenage identity.
Elven forests and campfires didn't make EQ special. Being new made EQ special. You're not chasing "community", the vast vast majority of you boomers are solo Andy gamers now. You're trying to resurrect a moment in your life that cannot be resurrected. And that's okay. Nostalgia is powerful. But call it what it is. This isn't "MMOs coming back to their roots." This is: "Please recreate 1999 so I don't have to accept that time moved forward without me."
And if systems truly didn’t matter? You wouldn't need corpse runs, downtime, XP loss, or hour-long group hunts for a single replacement member. You'd just talk.
The only reason the "vehicle for socialization" needs to be so slow is so no one notices the wheels came off twenty years ago.
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