Every game is getting ripped for design flaws these days. I'd get over it. The best route is to stick to the core player base and build into it enough that you keep those core players happy. They're the loyal ones that build the fanboy effect. Once the fanboy effect goes in, the noobs and the paychecks will start to flow, but with that so will the complaining and community drama which is tearing apart every game these days. That's why it is imperative to build that core player base first, then shoot for South Park.
Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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Kithani
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2 weeks ago you posted they would have 15k subs, what happened to double your prediction?!
Quaid
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Hekotat
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Is 25k unrealistic? Pantheon sold way more than that and it’s not even a real game.
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Kirun
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Only 2-5% of players in F2P games ever spend money. And for subscription-based apps in general (not gaming specific), the "install -> paid" conversion rate is often below even 5-10%. So the conversion rates on paid subscribers is actually pretty damn low. In fact, the box price alone will likely dissuade another portion from even trying the game at all. They'd need to have a box sales rate north of 250-285k+ to generate those kinds of subscriber numbers.
Plus, many MMOs today don't release as "boxed copy + subscription". Instead, they're free-to-play or use other monetization, so sales-figures are often buried or not comparable. When sales numbers are reported, they often count global units across all editions, multiple platforms, or include pre-orders, which makes comparisons tricky. Most recent "MMOs" with box sales lean into hybrid models (box + early-access + live-service), so it's unclear whether "sold copies" map cleanly to long-term MMO viability.
There isn't really a recent, well-documented example of a brand-new, subscription-based MMO launching in the last few years, selling 250,000+ boxed copies, and still being sustainably active. Most attempts either pivot to F2P, blend in microtransactions, or quietly fade away. DayZ is the only "recent" one you could maybe call an MMO to have done it. But DayZ has always straddled survival/MMO-lite rather than "classical theme-park MMO". So it doesn't really serve as proof that a modern traditional MMO can still launch and survive at that scale.
Outside that, you're mostly looking at legacy MMOs or games from a different era (when box-sales + subscriptions were common).
moonarchia
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Kithani
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Arden
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I check in on this thread every once in a while to see how the game is progressing. Just scanning the last few pages it seems like:
- Game is currently in closed alpha
- Feels pretty similar to vanilla EQ
- Looks pretty cool (I can see that for myself)
- Some complaints about tedious gameplay stuff/lack of QoL
What did I miss?
- Game is currently in closed alpha
- Feels pretty similar to vanilla EQ
- Looks pretty cool (I can see that for myself)
- Some complaints about tedious gameplay stuff/lack of QoL
What did I miss?
Only issue I gather from the pulse of the MnM community is the P99 play nice policy.
There is a larger player base that wants DPS racing and being able to contest PvE targets.
Currently the only way to do that is the PvP server which has equipped item looting. A player has to decide if they accept that risk for the benefit of being able to claim camps.
Nick has discussed two other rulesets to deal with the community desires:
1. PvE server with a less strict PnP. For example, you can dps race or muscle people out of camps, but can not train mobs on people still.
2. PvP server with less harsh looting rules on death (just inventory item or coin). This would allow for the more PvE centric players to cross over into the PvP world since PvP usually is just a means of securing camps or player disputes.
There is a larger player base that wants DPS racing and being able to contest PvE targets.
Currently the only way to do that is the PvP server which has equipped item looting. A player has to decide if they accept that risk for the benefit of being able to claim camps.
Nick has discussed two other rulesets to deal with the community desires:
1. PvE server with a less strict PnP. For example, you can dps race or muscle people out of camps, but can not train mobs on people still.
2. PvP server with less harsh looting rules on death (just inventory item or coin). This would allow for the more PvE centric players to cross over into the PvP world since PvP usually is just a means of securing camps or player disputes.
rad
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Developers: We're going to make a niche spiritual successor to EQ
Play testers: Me and the boys are enjoying it like its 99'
Kirun:
Familiar vanilla EQ feeling with the fun of new discoveries and class designs.
MnM is going to be a huge success.
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Arden
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That's what I wanted to hear. I refuse to commit to following any mmo with enthusiasm after so many post-wow failures, so i only occasionally check in on this thread.
But it seems like the feedback has been positive enough so far i might have to dust off my mmo hopes and dreams this time
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Pantheon launched on Steam which MNM refuses to do because they intentionally do NOT want exposure to the broader PC gaming market beyond the die hard fans on their discord, so Yeah so far beyond unrealistic its laughable.
The closest comparison to this model is Ember's adrift and I expect this to do about as well as it did. it will move a few thousand boxes and end up with less than 1k concurrent users, and if they really do intend to split the playerbase even further to address poopsocking you can expect population numbers in the dozens per server, expect to box to make any meaningful progress.
moonarchia
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