Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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The Scientific Shitlord
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Without balance everyone funnels into FOTM and prices on loot for that class go through the roof.
Araxen
Golden Baronet of the Realm
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I think it's kinda of Enc gets to be OP, then why can't Shaman's(insert some other class) get to be a great solo class to? It's a slippery slope. Personally I think every class should have some way to solo while waiting to find a group. Do they have to be gods at it? No.
General Antony
Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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How is this even a real question? If you like the class flavor of let's say a ranger, but numerically they suck tiny
Nirgon
balls at doing damage or taking hits or healing or whatever such that no one will ever accept you into a group whenever any other class is around then that is a pretty shit experience that will cause people to quit especially when the game requires a lot of upfront time investment.
Nirgon
balls at doing damage or taking hits or healing or whatever such that no one will ever accept you into a group whenever any other class is around then that is a pretty shit experience that will cause people to quit especially when the game requires a lot of upfront time investment.
Loser Nirgon
cuckservative censorship is real
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How is this even a real question? If you like the class flavor of let's say a ranger, but numerically they suck tiny
So don't play it until it is out or wait patiently until the class is updated
Why is this hard
This is no longer a serious classic MMO recreation passion project is my guess, let's see what happens, might still be good
Kithani
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Hmm… so much for all the nerds raging that “they don’t even care if they make money in this super niche game it’s a hobby project!”
bonus points for an actual lawyer being involved and not just a forumquest lawyer!
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Del
Potato del Grande
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Shawn very clearly says on the stream that even if the game only gets 500 subs like the doomers have been predicting, they're still going to finish 1.0.
He also laughed at Kithani's absurd post the other day about how he's living off of the German welfare system.
He also laughed at Kithani's absurd post the other day about how he's living off of the German welfare system.
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Kirun
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That "just play whatever is fun, who cares if it sucks!" mindset really only works in games that are largely solo experiences. In something like Black Desert Online, where 99% of the content is solo-oriented, having a weaker or less efficient class doesn't meaningfully impact anyone else. If your class underperforms, you're mostly just affecting your own progression, so the game can get away with shitty balance.
But in a game like Monsters and Memories, which is built around group-centric gameplay, that dynamic changes completely. Your class choice doesn't just affect you, it'll directly impact the efficiency, success, and overall experience of everyone you're playing with. When players are investing significant time into forming groups, traveling, and tackling content together, they're naturally going to care about optimization to some degree. Not necessarily in a hardcore, min/max-at-all-costs way, but enough to avoid situations where someone's class choice becomes a liability.
That's where class balance becomes far more important. If certain classes are noticeably weaker, less useful, or bring less to a group, players will inevitably gravitate toward stronger options. Or worse, start excluding others. That undermines the whole "play what you enjoy" philosophy, because social pressure and group expectations take over. So while the idea of total freedom in class choice sounds great on paper, it only really works if the game's structure supports it. In a group-focused MMO, balance isn't just a "nice-to-have" it's foundational to making sure players can actually play what they want without feeling like they're holding everyone else back.
But in a game like Monsters and Memories, which is built around group-centric gameplay, that dynamic changes completely. Your class choice doesn't just affect you, it'll directly impact the efficiency, success, and overall experience of everyone you're playing with. When players are investing significant time into forming groups, traveling, and tackling content together, they're naturally going to care about optimization to some degree. Not necessarily in a hardcore, min/max-at-all-costs way, but enough to avoid situations where someone's class choice becomes a liability.
That's where class balance becomes far more important. If certain classes are noticeably weaker, less useful, or bring less to a group, players will inevitably gravitate toward stronger options. Or worse, start excluding others. That undermines the whole "play what you enjoy" philosophy, because social pressure and group expectations take over. So while the idea of total freedom in class choice sounds great on paper, it only really works if the game's structure supports it. In a group-focused MMO, balance isn't just a "nice-to-have" it's foundational to making sure players can actually play what they want without feeling like they're holding everyone else back.
Grabbit Allworth
Confirmed J6 Insurrectionist
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Given my minimal knowledge of this game, I've tried to do some warp-speed catching up over the last couple days by listening to/watching a bunch of hours of Shawn's stuff.
He strikes me as being extremely passionate and as a vanguard between the public and his team. Both admirable qualities, but he wears his heart on his sleeve. And that can create problems in situations as transparent and forward-facing as he is making it.
He also seems to suffer from the standard shitlib worldview about 'hurty words.'
Shawn, it's obvious either you read this thread or you have someone keeping you abreast of it -- the vast majority of people that are going to play your game are old Millennials and Gen X and we're the last people that need to be treated like goddamn children. In fact, we despise it.
Give us the standard tools to block retards and that's all you need to do. If your game is a "living, social world" as you envision, the douchebags will weed themselves out.
He strikes me as being extremely passionate and as a vanguard between the public and his team. Both admirable qualities, but he wears his heart on his sleeve. And that can create problems in situations as transparent and forward-facing as he is making it.
He also seems to suffer from the standard shitlib worldview about 'hurty words.'
Shawn, it's obvious either you read this thread or you have someone keeping you abreast of it -- the vast majority of people that are going to play your game are old Millennials and Gen X and we're the last people that need to be treated like goddamn children. In fact, we despise it.
Give us the standard tools to block retards and that's all you need to do. If your game is a "living, social world" as you envision, the douchebags will weed themselves out.
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It had been mentioned they had a lawyer in the mix and there was a 4th minority stake as well. Not sure if it was made clear that was the same person. But makes some sense. Shawn had mentioned that tie votes were not a thing, and he'd had final say if something like that came up.
WB is a bit too low at that point, but AC and or TE would generally be usually popping for groups. Shouldn't be too bad to find a group as a heals.
Tol
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It also sucks ass in a game like this because certain classes have their own little solo spots where weird niches like druid animal charm, ranger headshot kiting, necro fear kiting, chanter charm kiting, shaman root rot spots, etc all funnel into. Its nice when theres a lot of options. Not so nice when you're the 6th X class on the group wait list, and every solo spot is taken by a flood of people powerleveling alts or whatever because X class is head and shoulders better at doing things than other classes in those places.
I loved bard in certain expansions but it caught on like wildfire at one point in PoP and it sucked when suddenly there was an army of bards in all the tier 1 planes swarm/charm kiting.
At its best, theres a ton of niche solo spots with different rewards and playstyles. At its worst, it's the solved p99 game where just playing an enchanter wins you the best loot and exp by virtue of being a broken class that can do camps that no one else can do (which resulted in armies of enchanters camping stuff like solb 24/7, to no ones surprise)
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Looks like Reddit has solved it. He was fired due to gross negligence regarding enchanter charm balance. A shame because he was doing good pr on his streams, but charm was simply too op. Amazing detective work from Redditor Cartiere11. With Nick gone you can expect charm to finally be nerfed.
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