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highly unlikely glyph system is less damage and not that the changes to spells lowering base damage but scaling it more with INT in the same patch.

ie get some fucking gear newb, also you can just put spells on the bar and skip the glyph system entirely. all it does it gives you more spells to cast.
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So…numbers are out and md to high level wizards with gear around 180+ int are doing half the damage they did pre patch. What is considered not newb gear?

Now if this is the new base line(doubt it) imagine logging into a rogue and suddenly your backstabs are hitting for half of what they were and the mobs health has increased across the board for longer TTK.

Love this game and I want to see it succeed but you white knighting a clear fuck up is partly why I responded with “lol”
 
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Hatorade said:
So…numbers are out and md to high level wizards with gear around 180+ int are doing half the damage they did pre patch. What is considered not newb gear?

Now if this is the new base line(doubt it) imagine logging into a rogue and suddenly your backstabs are hitting for half of what they were and the mobs health has increased across the board for longer TTK.

Love this game and I want to see it succeed but you white knighting a clear fuck up is why I responded with “lol”
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The people clamouring for high TTK are the same people cheering on every other mechanic that will limit the population of this game to a couple servers after 6 months.

Glyph system or not, any TTK increase was always going to be a nerf to DD casters (mage, wiz, druid) across the board.
 
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Seasonal component of the druid was done by someone who saw the trash ass design of the WoW Druid's solar alignment and thought "THATS COOL!" without ever playing the class in any serious capacity. Or better yet, since its rose color glassing itself back to that expansion - they likely watched a youtube video of someone using honorbuddy to maximize the dps rotation, topping the meters. Not that a normal person couldnt do it, but I cant for the life of me think that anyone that has played a DPS role across several expansions and different classes wants that shit to come back. I do not want to play a fucking boomkin 24/7 on the fucking everquest-like druid with clunky ass spells, and fuck all movement effects.

Make the alignment of the seasons be a stance, or increase their power and make the druid go pray to a fucking tree or something for long term season buffs. Hell - make them go on a quest to unlock each seasons benefits and let them build those buffs into a single self buff onto their character as they level. But stance dancing is fucking awful on any class and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to make it part of a class. Yes, aligning yourself and pregaming the alignment is, at its heart, fucking stance dancing.

This isnt a "Lets see where it goes!" kind of situation either. Because whoever designed the seasons has zero imagination. Never mind the impact of a DPS (Oh no. You're 10 fucking stacks into the season of suck because you're trying to maximize healing, so now you have to wait for all 10 stacks to drop and then go through another entire fucking season to help burn a mob. Yes, its a fucking exaggeration.) Or, the idea that the tank has to wait for your fucking season to turn into the season of suck just to pull a group of fucking mobs so he knows he can get 20% greater heals on a large pack. WHY? Because the fucking druid doesnt have Lull anymore.

I mean think this shit through for five fucking seconds. If you're so enamored with the fucking seasons and alignments and dont want that code to go to waste - change them to something that isnt a step above the baseline of mathematics for combat. Mana Spent vs Mana Gained vs Output amount of DPS/Heal. Never mind its a constant fucking nightmare to balance - Like Horee shit, this isnt Papa Johns. Better Healing, Better Damage, Better fucking pizza type of simplicity.

Change it to shit like Summer stance gives all healing spells a thorns effect. All Winter damage spells give a universal (melee/spell casting) slow effect. etc. etc. Yes - those are base line mathematics at their heart, too. But the entire group doesnt have to dance around the Druids "seasons" just so they can do shit. You're adding fucking tedium to the class just for the sake of flavor and all its going to do is make people not want to deal with the Druid if a fucking Cleric is LFG.

I personally like the idea of following the existing quest where there is some sickness in the world and you're going around, tracking down the fucking root cause of the sickness... and as you're doing that quest, the druids are teaching you the way of the seasons and you're gaining additional effects that stack on your AURA. You're a fucking druid - you have plane of growth type shit blooming behind you as you walk when you're an archon. Dive into the fucking theme of the Druid for fucks sake. More mana here, but not there, more damage here, but not there is just so fucking lazy.
 
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Seasonal component of the druid was done by someone who saw the trash ass design of the WoW Druid's solar alignment and thought "THATS COOL!" without ever playing the class in any serious capacity. Or better yet, since its rose color glassing itself back to that expansion - they likely watched a youtube video of someone using honorbuddy to maximize the dps rotation, topping the meters. Not that a normal person couldnt do it, but I cant for the life of me think that anyone that has played a DPS role across several expansions and different classes wants that shit to come back. I do not want to play a fucking boomkin 24/7 on the fucking everquest-like druid with clunky ass spells, and fuck all movement effects.

Make the alignment of the seasons be a stance, or increase their power and make the druid go pray to a fucking tree or something for long term season buffs. Hell - make them go on a quest to unlock each seasons benefits and let them build those buffs into a single self buff onto their character as they level. But stance dancing is fucking awful on any class and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to make it part of a class. Yes, aligning yourself and pregaming the alignment is, at its heart, fucking stance dancing.

This isnt a "Lets see where it goes!" kind of situation either. Because whoever designed the seasons has zero imagination. Never mind the impact of a DPS (Oh no. You're 10 fucking stacks into the season of suck because you're trying to maximize healing, so now you have to wait for all 10 stacks to drop and then go through another entire fucking season to help burn a mob. Yes, its a fucking exaggeration.) Or, the idea that the tank has to wait for your fucking season to turn into the season of suck just to pull a group of fucking mobs so he knows he can get 20% greater heals on a large pack. WHY? Because the fucking druid doesnt have Lull anymore.

I mean think this shit through for five fucking seconds. If you're so enamored with the fucking seasons and alignments and dont want that code to go to waste - change them to something that isnt a step above the baseline of mathematics for combat. Mana Spent vs Mana Gained vs Output amount of DPS/Heal. Never mind its a constant fucking nightmare to balance - Like Horee shit, this isnt Papa Johns. Better Healing, Better Damage, Better fucking pizza type of simplicity.

Change it to shit like Summer stance gives all healing spells a thorns effect. All Winter damage spells give a universal (melee/spell casting) slow effect. etc. etc. Yes - those are base line mathematics at their heart, too. But the entire group doesnt have to dance around the Druids "seasons" just so they can do shit. You're adding fucking tedium to the class just for the sake of flavor and all its going to do is make people not want to deal with the Druid if a fucking Cleric is LFG.

I personally like the idea of following the existing quest where there is some sickness in the world and you're going around, tracking down the fucking root cause of the sickness... and as you're doing that quest, the druids are teaching you the way of the seasons and you're gaining additional effects that stack on your AURA. You're a fucking druid - you have plane of growth type shit blooming behind you as you walk when you're an archon. Dive into the fucking theme of the Druid for fucks sake. More mana here, but not there, more damage here, but not there is just so fucking lazy.
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Hey that’s just your opinion man, and everyone has a different one! There’s no way to evaluate one opinion from the next so we’re just gonna go with what feeeeels right.
 
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Seasonal component of the druid was done by someone who saw the trash ass design of the WoW Druid's solar alignment and thought "THATS COOL!" without ever playing the class in any serious capacity. Or better yet, since its rose color glassing itself back to that expansion - they likely watched a youtube video of someone using honorbuddy to maximize the dps rotation, topping the meters. Not that a normal person couldnt do it, but I cant for the life of me think that anyone that has played a DPS role across several expansions and different classes wants that shit to come back. I do not want to play a fucking boomkin 24/7 on the fucking everquest-like druid with clunky ass spells, and fuck all movement effects.

Make the alignment of the seasons be a stance, or increase their power and make the druid go pray to a fucking tree or something for long term season buffs. Hell - make them go on a quest to unlock each seasons benefits and let them build those buffs into a single self buff onto their character as they level. But stance dancing is fucking awful on any class and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to make it part of a class. Yes, aligning yourself and pregaming the alignment is, at its heart, fucking stance dancing.

This isnt a "Lets see where it goes!" kind of situation either. Because whoever designed the seasons has zero imagination. Never mind the impact of a DPS (Oh no. You're 10 fucking stacks into the season of suck because you're trying to maximize healing, so now you have to wait for all 10 stacks to drop and then go through another entire fucking season to help burn a mob. Yes, its a fucking exaggeration.) Or, the idea that the tank has to wait for your fucking season to turn into the season of suck just to pull a group of fucking mobs so he knows he can get 20% greater heals on a large pack. WHY? Because the fucking druid doesnt have Lull anymore.

I mean think this shit through for five fucking seconds. If you're so enamored with the fucking seasons and alignments and dont want that code to go to waste - change them to something that isnt a step above the baseline of mathematics for combat. Mana Spent vs Mana Gained vs Output amount of DPS/Heal. Never mind its a constant fucking nightmare to balance - Like Horee shit, this isnt Papa Johns. Better Healing, Better Damage, Better fucking pizza type of simplicity.

Change it to shit like Summer stance gives all healing spells a thorns effect. All Winter damage spells give a universal (melee/spell casting) slow effect. etc. etc. Yes - those are base line mathematics at their heart, too. But the entire group doesnt have to dance around the Druids "seasons" just so they can do shit. You're adding fucking tedium to the class just for the sake of flavor and all its going to do is make people not want to deal with the Druid if a fucking Cleric is LFG.

I personally like the idea of following the existing quest where there is some sickness in the world and you're going around, tracking down the fucking root cause of the sickness... and as you're doing that quest, the druids are teaching you the way of the seasons and you're gaining additional effects that stack on your AURA. You're a fucking druid - you have plane of growth type shit blooming behind you as you walk when you're an archon. Dive into the fucking theme of the Druid for fucks sake. More mana here, but not there, more damage here, but not there is just so fucking lazy.
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I could see where they are trying to go, if they are trying to make druids an acceptable replacement for clerics and wizards. That would mean in Summer stance they would need to be as good of a healer as a cleric but also as bad as cleric DPS. Then switched in Winter stance to the point they couldn't main heal a group but could equal or come close to Wiz DPS. Like you and others have suggested, it should be something you choose long term though, in that you have to go some place specific to switch out a "permanent" Summer/Winter buff, even if that's a druid trainer at a druid ring.

Then you have more options for picking between class utility and less punishing sub-optimal group makeup. You also don't have druids left out in the cold like they were in EQ, unless they intend to make them the second or third best soloers (I didn't see quad kitting options in MnM).
 
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Coming soon - but not live yet:

Thanks for the feedback on the changes to Intelligence and Wisdom Scaling (Ali mentioned it here under '[Caster Stats](https://discord.com/channels/847846851478945802/1101580029240029194/1512016406084980767)') .

This is going well overall, and adds extra value to gearing up your characters as you progress. After considering the feedback and playing with some more groups on Beta, we're going to make a change:

- Clerics, Druids, Shamans, Paladins, and Rangers will use Wisdom for spell damage scaling, instead of Intelligence. They'll continue to use Wisdom for heal scaling as well.

While our goal was to add some diversity and stat choice when gearing up, practically it wasn't working as well as we'd hoped.

This change should be on beta soon - but is not live yet.
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Interesting, certainly makes gearing a bit easier for healers.
 
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Yea, this game is gonna fail, at least in the sense that it will not 'break through' to a larger audience, but be stuck with the former EQ/P99 crowd. Nothing the devs can do either, aside from making an entirely new, modern game that alienates the poopsocks and brings in the normies. My +1 is a friend from childhood, don't see or talk to him much these days, but I knew he was super-interested in the game and gave it to him. He is a heavily sedated schizophrenic with highly debilitating pseudo-autism (they aren't sure if it is or isn't, because he has all the downsides with no savant upside), and in general is just a completely hopeless human being. Thanks to him, I can recognize his behavior from other players that may not be as obvious otherwise, and it's baffling how common it is.

Most of these folks don't have the cognitive ability to make to 60 quickly, if ever, but don't worry, as you grow out of their sphere, along with the 'core' player semi-normies, you get to interact with the no-life manchildren poopsocks. I hate these people even more, folks who have completely replaced any IRL accomplishment with a digital progression. It's not a game to them, it's real life, and their brain calibrates the consequences and rewards as such. Every game will have em, but these are a certain type of losers, they are older and more pathetic than your typical no-lifer. They are stuck in the early 2000s, constantly waxing on their glory days of EQ. In other games these folks might still have hope, perhaps they are a college student smart enough to dial-in Bs and Cs with absolutely minimal effort while gaming 80+ hours a week and still get a job and have a life after college. These are the ones who didn't, and now they are 40+ years old doing the same thing they were 20+ years ago. It's bad enough having to interact with them in any capacity, but now I have to HEAR their grating voices on discord? I don't understand it, perhaps you can't help looking like a nerd, but I would do anything to reform my voice if I were some of these folks. My only solace is that I can't smell them, but that's about it.

No normal human being is going to enjoy interreacting with these people, and I'm about done even trying to do so. Game itself is just alright with potential to be really good, though not great, but these folks will alienate any sane human being from getting into the game regardless.
 
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Yea, this game is gonna fail, at least in the sense that it will not 'break through' to a larger audience, but be stuck with the former EQ/P99 crowd. Nothing the devs can do either, aside from making an entirely new, modern game that alienates the poopsocks and brings in the normies. My +1 is a friend from childhood, don't see or talk to him much these days, but I knew he was super-interested in the game and gave it to him. He is a heavily sedated schizophrenic with highly debilitating pseudo-autism (they aren't sure if it is or isn't, because he has all the downsides with no savant upside), and in general is just a completely hopeless human being. Thanks to him, I can recognize his behavior from other players that may not be as obvious otherwise, and it's baffling how common it is.

Most of these folks don't have the cognitive ability to make to 60 quickly, if ever, but don't worry, as you grow out of their sphere, along with the 'core' player semi-normies, you get to interact with the no-life manchildren poopsocks. I hate these people even more, folks who have completely replaced any IRL accomplishment with a digital progression. It's not a game to them, it's real life, and their brain calibrates the consequences and rewards as such. Every game will have em, but these are a certain type of losers, they are older and more pathetic than your typical no-lifer. They are stuck in the early 2000s, constantly waxing on their glory days of EQ. In other games these folks might still have hope, perhaps they are a college student smart enough to dial-in Bs and Cs with absolutely minimal effort while gaming 80+ hours a week and still get a job and have a life after college. These are the ones who didn't, and now they are 40+ years old doing the same thing they were 20+ years ago. It's bad enough having to interact with them in any capacity, but now I have to HEAR their grating voices on discord? I don't understand it, perhaps you can't help looking like a nerd, but I would do anything to reform my voice if I were some of these folks. My only solace is that I can't smell them, but that's about it.

No normal human being is going to enjoy interreacting with these people, and I'm about done even trying to do so. Game itself is just alright with potential to be really good, though not great, but these folks will alienate any sane human being from getting into the game regardless.
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Wow, ok buddy. Maybe this game just isn't for you.
 
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Smithy said:
Yea, this game is gonna fail, at least in the sense that it will not 'break through' to a larger audience, but be stuck with the former EQ/P99 crowd. Nothing the devs can do either, aside from making an entirely new, modern game that alienates the poopsocks and brings in the normies. My +1 is a friend from childhood, don't see or talk to him much these days, but I knew he was super-interested in the game and gave it to him. He is a heavily sedated schizophrenic with highly debilitating pseudo-autism (they aren't sure if it is or isn't, because he has all the downsides with no savant upside), and in general is just a completely hopeless human being. Thanks to him, I can recognize his behavior from other players that may not be as obvious otherwise, and it's baffling how common it is.

Most of these folks don't have the cognitive ability to make to 60 quickly, if ever, but don't worry, as you grow out of their sphere, along with the 'core' player semi-normies, you get to interact with the no-life manchildren poopsocks. I hate these people even more, folks who have completely replaced any IRL accomplishment with a digital progression. It's not a game to them, it's real life, and their brain calibrates the consequences and rewards as such. Every game will have em, but these are a certain type of losers, they are older and more pathetic than your typical no-lifer. They are stuck in the early 2000s, constantly waxing on their glory days of EQ. In other games these folks might still have hope, perhaps they are a college student smart enough to dial-in Bs and Cs with absolutely minimal effort while gaming 80+ hours a week and still get a job and have a life after college. These are the ones who didn't, and now they are 40+ years old doing the same thing they were 20+ years ago. It's bad enough having to interact with them in any capacity, but now I have to HEAR their grating voices on discord? I don't understand it, perhaps you can't help looking like a nerd, but I would do anything to reform my voice if I were some of these folks. My only solace is that I can't smell them, but that's about it.

No normal human being is going to enjoy interreacting with these people, and I'm about done even trying to do so. Game itself is just alright with potential to be really good, though not great, but these folks will alienate any sane human being from getting into the game regardless.
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This guy put it into words better than I could.

Sir you might also like my recent discovery of this high end verbal battle of great minds on p99 posted elsewhere

Project 99 - Green Server announcement
 
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This will be the greatest game. Especially think the PvP server is going to pop off. Gonna be like classic wow where more people on PvP servers in 2000 than PvE.

Play nice policy gayyyyyy
 
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Wow, ok buddy. Maybe this game just isn't for you.
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You're right, this is NOT my ideal MMO, though it is close enough for me to invest time into. My ideal MMO isn't EQ 2.0, it's a modern MMO made on the same philosophy as EQ, and there is a BIG difference between those two. One is simply a recreation, nearly an homage, a game with that not only is recreating EQ style graphics, music, class system and progression, but is also INTENTIONALLY recreating the flaws and limitations of EQ, and in fact going even further. Meanwhile, the other would be a game that is bold and innovative, aiming to do something that has never been done before, albeit in a way that eschews modern convenience and streamlining. Both reject post-WoW features and mechanics, but it's the difference between going back and creating new, alternative systems and refusing to have anything new period.

EQ was unprecedented and groundbreaking for its time, MnM is the complete opposite. I could go on further into how the affects the actual experience, even compared to EQ itself, but I don't care that much. Point is, EQ was a game that was made for ANYONE who enjoyed DnD style fantasy adventure games, so it's honestly utterly ridiculous to pull the 'iT's NoT fOr YoU' card. I GUARANTEE YOU, the devs would sell their left nut for someone like Asmongold to hop on the MnM train, poopsocking his way to 60 on stream, so cut that bullshit. The fact that they are just now trying to branch out from clones of EQ classes is proof of that, they've got the EQ boomers sewed up, but they need more than that to really succeed.
 
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The beta key waits on this are like all the hell levels combined. How are rogues and necros?
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Rogue is better than EQ1 rogue. Necro is significantly weaker than EQ1 necro solo-wise, due to TTK differences between games built into the design.
 
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TheRealmOnline said:
This will be the greatest game. Especially think the PvP server is going to pop off. Gonna be like classic wow where more people on PvP servers in 2000 than PvE.

Play nice policy gayyyyyy
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They already started bans for PvP ala 1999-2000 Everquest. So I doubt PvP will be allowed to thrive. GMs have been very hands-on with the PvP PNP and ToS.

1999-2000 behavior from the Everquest PvP servers, where PNP will be arbitrarily applied based on whos crying about what on a given day. Multiple bans for PvP-related incidents have occurred in beta.
 
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Kithani said:
This guy put it into words better than I could.

Sir you might also like my recent discovery of this high end verbal battle of great minds on p99 posted elsewhere

Project 99 - Green Server announcement
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Literally cannot bring myself to listen to more than 5 minutes of that dude, I probably would have left after explaining there was no malice (or 'passive aggressiveness') intended. Simply not even worth trying to reason with beyond that.
 
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Literally cannot bring myself to listen to more than 5 minutes of that dude, I probably would have left after explaining there was no malice (or 'passive aggressiveness') intended. Simply not even worth trying to reason with beyond that.
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No man you gotta listen to the end when they bust out the webcams
 
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So far what we've seen is if a GM gives you a ruling, and you do it again, it's a ban.

So unlike 1999-2000 Everquest where an account could accumulate 10-15 warnings before a final ban (at least 2-3 suspensions and a dozen warnings were normal procedure at SOE before a ban ruling was made)-- in MNM it's one strike then you're out.

I assume this has to do with GMs not having access to suspension tools to time suspensions. And the fact it's beta, tolerating horseplay isn't a thing for practical reasons. I expect things will get more lax on 1.0.
 
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