Hatorade
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Will check it out tonight, seems to be a game changer but had no time to mess with it yet.
Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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Siliconemelons
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I feel they have very different expectations, views, and even "The Vision (tm)" is divergent - perhaps the way this was built is having its issued finally seen more so than not.
Lets take BM vs WB - in WB there is plenty to do as a solo or group - the design is very well done and mob placement is very much like EQ in guk, CT etc. BM on the other-hand is very much designed like a WoW dund, with rooms that are like 4-6 mobs linked etc. wondering mobs that make those pulls +1 or if in a bad spot, get another group of 3-4 mobs etc. so its a very forced group situation and meant for you to just burn through it with force, not planning.
This is just a small example. TE is like Charok was, its a bad guy city zone so its super unfriendly to solo.. not /everything/ has to be a good place for soloing - but when you can make places that are good for both, and well designed.. and not? it just seems a little annoying on the how things are made side of things.
Classes... they need to do what they move away from and what they moved toward at the same time - they want to be special snowflakes in a game that is mean to be very tropy and of yesteryear...that does not mix...not for ALL the classes.. they seem to get butt hurt over /certain/ feedback - is that the type of feedback of certain things? or from certain people?
Like "Knights (pal/sk) just feel like warrior + celric/necro!" OMG REMAKE THE CLASSES instead of "THATS WHAT THOSE CLASSES ARE!!!"
Rabbit_Games
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Flobee
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I'd second the main issue being class design. I'm happy with the world, economy, friction etc. I was never going to be able to no-life or even consistently group so my expectations there were low. For me though a big draw to these games is having solid cohesive class identity and they absolutely nuked that like 2 months before EA release. Instead of fixing what they had they basically hit reset... Then half way through the reworks they seemingly realized it wasn't a great idea and some of the better reworks likes Ranger or SK (basically did nothing) are simply reflavoring the existing kit with minimal changes.
They need to go back and do it again for a bunch of classes and.... To be frank approach it differently. Combine that with stuff like poorly balanced/thought out mechanics (% weapon ratio on skills is, IMO, pants-on-head if you fully normalize and ignore delay), too much randomness of abilities (3 damage ability hits, etc), and it seems to me balancing TTK backwards. Make the combat feel -good- damage wise, abilities shit harder than autos etc, then balance TTK off that.
None of that was doomer criticism. All of it is completely fixable with some time now that they're getting firehose feedback from paying customers. Game is good, content is very good, classes aren't in a good place and they know it.
Releasing Trolls is the real EA launch anyway.
Edit: I also suspect just a numbers pass could make some classes feel a LOT better so it might not even be design in some cases
They need to go back and do it again for a bunch of classes and.... To be frank approach it differently. Combine that with stuff like poorly balanced/thought out mechanics (% weapon ratio on skills is, IMO, pants-on-head if you fully normalize and ignore delay), too much randomness of abilities (3 damage ability hits, etc), and it seems to me balancing TTK backwards. Make the combat feel -good- damage wise, abilities shit harder than autos etc, then balance TTK off that.
None of that was doomer criticism. All of it is completely fixable with some time now that they're getting firehose feedback from paying customers. Game is good, content is very good, classes aren't in a good place and they know it.
Releasing Trolls is the real EA launch anyway.
Edit: I also suspect just a numbers pass could make some classes feel a LOT better so it might not even be design in some cases
I hate the coin nerf, it’s my biggest gripe.
But I’m still having a ton of fun, so I’ll play until it isn’t fun anymore.
But I’m still having a ton of fun, so I’ll play until it isn’t fun anymore.
