MTG: Arena
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Mahes
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It seems odd that an algorithm could not have been written that would allow for better land distribution within a deck. It is the one strength of having a game on a computer. You could still have plenty of random on the shuffle but not have games where either a player cannot play due to mana shortage or cannot play due to a lack of spells. Why not evenly distribute the process out within a deck. You could still have some land clumps but not 5 straight lands. Use it only on the initial deck formation in the game. Once the game starts, any shuffling sequence that takes place does so at a pure random effect.
I just think that would have worked better.
I just think that would have worked better.
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Caliane
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Well obviously an algorithm could be written. The question is, would purists accept it?
Although, I do wonder, why the rules for shuffling do not address this issue in the first place.
60+ card deck. Separate lands and cards. Shuffle each separately.
split each into half, rounding down.
Shuffle land A back into cards A, Land B into cards B,
Congrats. your lands are now random within the half., but ALSO, spread out through the entire deck.
18cards/12 lands
This obviously must have come up in the years of MTG.
Although, I do wonder, why the rules for shuffling do not address this issue in the first place.
60+ card deck. Separate lands and cards. Shuffle each separately.
split each into half, rounding down.
Shuffle land A back into cards A, Land B into cards B,
Congrats. your lands are now random within the half., but ALSO, spread out through the entire deck.
18cards/12 lands
This obviously must have come up in the years of MTG.
Tmac
Adventurer
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Yeah, that's where I'm at.
I can't imagine other people running into situation so consistently in real life. I'll go from one game where I pull 10 out of 20 mana, to the next game where I only pull 2 - 3 mana the entire game. The inconsistency is what's most baffling.
It's one thing to just get bad RNG where maybe you pull a bad order of cards. It's another thing entirely to pull nothing but land enough times where it starts a pattern.
Is the solution here to run 18 lands instead of 20? lol
Exhibit A (9 lands):
Exhibit B (2 lands):
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Mist
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Don't run less than 22 lands in Bo1 unless every card in your deck costs 1 and a handful of 2s (not gonna happen in any real Standard decks.) Most of your hands will have 1 land due to the hand-draw algorithm used in Bo1.
People complaining about lands in Bo1 are ridiculous. The game has already rigged your draws in your favor.
Necrath Evilcraft
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Like the duels of the planeswalkers? It's nothing like those its a platform like mtgo. Arena will be around for as long as people are throwing money at it.
Caliane
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what do you mean, "their last iteration"? Mtg: Online? Thats still around, having multiple iteration since 2002... of which always was middling success.
Arena seems to have more players in like 3 months of beta, then MTG: Online ever did. Its hard to imagine it wont be around for a while.
Now, its up to them to make it profitable of course. Reddits can often be an indication of playerbase. arena reddit with 90k users.
Poe sits at 200kish these days.
Heroes of the storm also was at 200k though... and that is being shut down.
Arena seems to have more players in like 3 months of beta, then MTG: Online ever did. Its hard to imagine it wont be around for a while.
Now, its up to them to make it profitable of course. Reddits can often be an indication of playerbase. arena reddit with 90k users.
Poe sits at 200kish these days.
Heroes of the storm also was at 200k though... and that is being shut down.
Kiroy
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No I meant magic 2015 and the other games in that series.
MTGO has been around a long time, its always been pretty clunky with poor gfx.
The magic and planeswalker series were visually far more attractive and were about standard. They all got canned.
They have been making pretty games that are easy to play for a long time, and have consistently cancelled them after the initial appeal / sales started to fade.
Magic duels has nearly 24k positive steam reviews, and they announced they would no longer update it 2 weeks before the new set was supposed to go live on it.
I like how you make an argument and then shoot it down in the very next sentence.
I think it will do just fine as long as the support is kept up. There is plenty of interest. Any online game can end at any time.
The problem is WOTC has stopped support for popular games in the past. Repeatedly. Even with real money involved.
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