NBA 2013?14 Season

If you give zero thought to context and where and how those shots are made, sure.

Kobe and Wade are close offensively when Wade is healthy (lol) but Kobe was a superior man defender.

Couple things. I hate the way Wade gets that extra free throw. And it's not just that one extra free throw, it's a lot of the free throws he gets. He's always been that player trying to run into defenders in order to get refs to bail him out and put him on the line. I'm not saying Kobe never tries to get to the line, but he takes fewer shots than Wade where he has no intention of actually making a shot but of only getting to the FT line. I'm not arguing about effectiveness in that aspect, cause getting to the FT line is obviously the most effective thing you can do in basketball, but it's not how the game should be played to me.

That said, in terms of stats- Wade doesn't shoot 3's. Career 3-point % of less than 30 (which is putrid for a two guard in this day of basketball), and he takes less than half as many as Kobe does. So of course that's going to help his overall shooting %. Kobe's 3P% isn't spectacular at 33-34, but it's respectable enough. That's a part of the reason for the FG% disparity. Wade shoots a few% higher on 2's, Kobe shoots about 5% higher on 3's, which is about a wash to me. Kobe also shoots FT's significantly better over his career than Wade does. 7% is a big difference on FT's. Personally, I'll take the guy who has a better chance to stick a 3 or hit that free throw when he does make it to the line because of how big both are at the end of games. On the flipside, refs should not be as willing to bail Wade out at the end of games for creating contact so his higher FT attempts won't translate as well in crunch time as the higher 3P / FT % of Kobe will.

And yes, when comparing careers Kobe's longevity vs. Wade's can't be overstated. Including playoffs, one guy has played 53000 minutes and the other has played 30000. Wade will bridge the gap some because he should play a few more seasons after Kobe retires, but it probably won't be all that much considering his playstyle and all his physical issues.

You're cherry picking stats first of all. Kobe's first two years he was a teenager taken from high school and wasn't even a starter. Including those and omitting his last few years where has stayed consistently high brings his scoring down and is misleading. He's much closer to 28ppg for his career.

You also can't ignore Wade's huge dropoff the last couple years while Kobe's stayed consistently high.

Then there's defense where blocks and steals only tell a very small part of the story.

Fuck Dwayne Wade.

Wade averaged 21 ppg last year and is averaging 19.9 this year. That's a huge dropoff from the his prime. Kobe averaged 27ppg last year and 28 the year before.

Ambiturner_sl said:

Wade averaged 21 ppg last year and is averaging 19.9 this year. That's a huge dropoff from the his prime. Kobe averaged 27ppg last year and 28 the year before.

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Wade plays with LeBron and Bosh. He chose to score less in order to win rings. He takes less shots. He wasn't like Kobe running Shaq out of town so he could score 81 and not make the playoffs.

PS: Wade scored 32 last night.

First, the Lakers made the playoffs the year Kobe had the 81 point game.

Second, Gaige is the only one that agrees with the ridiculousness of Wade being better.

So let's just move on

I don't think Wade is better than Kobe necessarily, in fact I dislike them both. Jordan is the best 2 guard ever so this discussion, at best, is about who is second best - aka no one gives a fuck.

The point is that they're both faggots.

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First, the Lakers made the playoffs the year Kobe had the 81 point game.

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Did you notice how I said score 81andnot make the playoffs. I didn't say score 81while notmaking the playoffs. No one said it happened in the same season, I was saying that was the shit he was doing after he ran Shaq out of town. Some years he scored 81 some years he didn't even make the playoffs. Instead of being in the Finals every single year with Shaq which is what would've happened because Kobe has not and will not be ever able to lead a team to the Finals on his own.

FUCK SHAQ I WANT TO BE THE MAN OKAY NOW I'M THE MAN AND WE CAN'T WIN IT ALL FUCKING TRADE ME I WANT OUT OH WAIT WE GOT GIFT WRAPPED GASOL NEVER MIND I'M A LAKER FOR LIFE OH YA BABY OH FUCK WE CAN'T WIN IT WITH ME AND GASOL YOU BETTER GET ME SOMEONE ELSE OH SHIT AWESOME WE GOT DWIGHT UH WE'RE LOSING OH SHIT FIRE MIKE BROWN OH SHIT HIRE D'ANTONI I LOVE HIM OH SHIT WE'RE STILL LOSING OH FUCK HOWARD IS LEAVING OH SHIT I'M INJURED, OH SHIT I'M INJURED AGAIN.

Etc.

Shaq was a problem on every team he played for. He left Orlando, LA, Miami, Cleveland, and Phoenix all on bad terms. It's been accepted by most people in the last couple of years that Shaq was the one to blame for the Lakers kicking him to the curb

Shaq was a problem to the tune of 3 rings. I also think comparing LA Shaq to Miami, Phoenix and Boston Shaq is silly.

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It's been accepted by most people in the last couple of years that Shaq was the one to blame for the Lakers kicking him to the curb

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I'll side with Phil Jackson on this one. The greatest coach ever who absolutely hates Kobe Bryant.

Well Kobe has 5 so he wins

Jackson has 11.

Shaq left because Jackson left because Jackson no longer wanted to coach Bryant. The Lakers were making moves designed to placate Bryant and because of that ruined a championship team that would've made the Finals a few more years at least.