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Nvidia Claims RTX GPUs Are Much Faster Than Pascal By Deliberately Comparing the Wrong Cards - ExtremeTech

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Mist said:

That article doesn't understand how to read a chart. Even without the light green bars, the dark green bars show a 40-55% improvement in most games.

My 1080 cost me 689 dollars shortly after release, a bit over 2 years ago. A new 2080 is going to cost around 750 dollars depending on exactly which custom board you get, for around a 40-60% improvement, BEFORE accounting for DLSS.

That's fucking huge. So long as all that is true, the haters are fucking crazy here.

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Did you even read the article? He is talking about the true product comparison. It should be specced against a 1080ti not a 1080. I completely 100% agree. And we are also looking a proprietary AA method in which software developers must pay for it's use, which for some reason I can't get "Hairworks" from screaming in my head every time I hear the buzzword.

So no, it's not a 50% gain. It's 1.15 to 1.25 at best, and the price value point they are milking is ridiculous.

NVIDIA is full of shit, and it's going to be shown soon enough.

It shouldn't shock anyone. This is what happens sooner or later when no one competes.

My 1080 cost me 689 dollars shortly after release, a bit over 2 years ago. A new 2080 is going to cost around 750 dollars

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And the performance gains between the 480 and 680 were massive year over year and didn't move an inch in price point.

This is called conditioning.

Fucking retards keep slobbering the dicks of these Nvidia fucks, while they get the new cards shoved up their ass. They are pretty much a monopoly on gaming type cards on the market right now. And they need competition to drive those prices down or else we all get fucked.

Yeah they are great cards, no doubt, but lets not be slobbering these fucks. Realize youre getting gouged in the asshole by these cards. Dont accept a nearly 100% markup from one generation to another.

fanaskin said:

why? they compared a 1080 to a 2080 not a 2080 ti

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It was based on price point. You want to compare a 700-800 dollar card (RTX 2080) to a 700-800 card (1080ti) by all means go nuts and talk about the 1.15-1.3 performance again. They are comparing a card whose release value is 200 dollars more on release and saying it has a 1.5 performance gain. It should. It would be like comparing a 1080ti to a 1070 last gen based on price point value.

I am not talking about model to model comparisons. I am talking about the price point increase per model and comparing it based on release price (Value).

So EX: You bought a 1080Ti for 700-800. You going to upgrade to the 2080 at the same price point - it's a VERY marginal improvement from the 1080ti for spending another 700 18 months later. So instead, let's fluff this 1.5x performance gain and play model trickery thinking the public doesn't know the card they were comparing it too was 200 dollars less on launch.

It would be like me upgrading from a 7700k to an 8700k. Why on earth would I do it? And hell that price point is double the half.

Utnayan said:

It was based on price point. You want to compare a 700-800 dollar card (RTX 2080) to a 700-800 card (1080ti) by all means go nuts and talk about the 1.15-1.3 performance again. They are comparing a card whose release value is 200 dollars more on release and saying it has a 1.5 performance gain. It should. It would be like comparing a 1080ti to a 1070 last gen based on price point value.

I am not talking about model to model comparisons. I am talking about the price point increase per model and comparing it based on release price (Value).

So EX: You bought a 1080Ti for 700-800. You going to upgrade to the 2080 at the same price point - it's a VERY marginal improvement from the 1080ti for spending another 700 18 months later. So instead, let's fluff this 1.5x performance gain and play model trickery thinking the public doesn't know the card they were comparing it too was 200 dollars less on launch.

It would be like me upgrading from a 7700k to an 8700k. Why on earth would I do it? And hell that price point is double the half.

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agree with this completely. I want to know how much $800 a couple years ago bought me vs $800 today.

fanaskin said:

which seems historically ignorant considering 1080 ti were selling for over 1k a few months ago
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Come on - Talking about retail MSRP not inflated prices due to supply issues because of mining.

if you're not a newb and want a powerful card get the new one.

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Wouldn't surprise me if that's the new NVIDIA marketing slogan once people start waking up to their bullshit.

Tuco said:

agree with this completely. I want to know how much $800 a couple years ago bought me vs $800 today.

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Yep exactly. So, to your point:

If you bought a 1080ti for $800, and are looking at a 2080 (Non Ti) for roughly the same price, you can expect a 18-23% performance gain.

Now I cannot speak for anyone else, but the same people talking about how great this upgrade will be (Not realizing the price point) are the same ones going off on Intel for minimum performance gains year over year and recommending 3-4 generations before upgrading. Now, I do not think it's THAT extreme yet in the video card market, but considering a Mobo and CPU for current gen runs about 450-500 and this card is damn near double the price and NVIDIA is playing the deceptive benchmark game with comparing an 800 dollar card to a fucking 550 dollar card on their respective release dates, you know they maybe learned a thing or two from Intels mistakes.

Next up: The Intel 8700k is 50% faster than the Intel 7560U. See how ridiculous that comparison is when I place an Intel name on it rather than NVIDIA's? And that's an Apples to Apples comparison of what NVIDIA is saying to their customers right now and expecting them to buy it as they laugh their way to the bank.

Mist said:

This is a stupid argument.

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100% agree. No reason to really continue the debate with confidence until we see third party benchmarks comparing the RTX2080 vs a GTX1080 Ti, or an RTX2080 Ti vs 2x GTX1080 Ti or something. Basically a dollar for dollar comparison.

Frankly I'll be surprised if the new generation can compete with the old generation, dollar for dollar.