NFL 2016 - <whatever Tony is doing>

Not happy with the outcome, obviously, but I think it was a good game. Not getting the run game going was a killer, can't have anyone throwing 45 times in a game and hope to win, let alone a rookie. Giants came prepared to sell out to the run and make Dak beat them. He almost had a chance if Williams doesn't go full retard with a clear path to the sideline. I thought the defense was pretty decent overall until near the end when the Giants run game started breaking off big gains to eat up clock.

Division games are always pretty tight, especially lately between the Giants and the Cowboys. Teams don't meet again until December so by then we'll know what's really on the line.

Ameraves said:

That was me you made a bet with. You said Chip wouldn't make it past 8 games with the 49ers before he is fired. 1 month avatar bet.

It will be somewhere in the Shoutbox dump if we need to go and find it. Gonna ask @Mario Speedwagon to witness it. Should I go track down the conversation, Mario?

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Oh that's right lol. Probably not my best bet to make but I'll certainly stand by it.. It's more likely he's one and done. 8 games is a reach but it is Chip and he rubs people the wrong way fast.. I remember you guys saying Jeff Fisher was a worse coach than Chip? Something about Chip just being a bad GM.. Yea, I can't disagree more and that baited me in hardcore to this bet. His GMIng was tied directly to his coaching philosophy which is basically, if you're on the field, you should be able to execute any play called. It's such a flawed way to coach. I got a lot of shit on here(looking at you dallas fans) last year for saying DeMarco Murray is a great running back despite his lack of production on the Eagles. His lack of production was b/c Chip refused to call the correct plays for his skill set. He's not a guy you should be running out of shotgun every down, yet he called shit like that all year. He refused to adjust his play calling based on the personal on the field. He did the same exact thing to the WR's. Chip's coaching weakness were disguised early on b/c he had great players like DJax, McCoy and Maclin. They were versatile enough to do all those things on the field, especially McCoy. Once defenses adjusted to his uptempo style, it went down hill fast. Good coaching is about adapting and he was never able to adjust, that's a big reason he was sent packing. Dude doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the NFL

haha, i should go back and read. I was pretty banged up. Who's a worse coach than Chip Kelly in the NFL?

I'd take John Fox over Chip. I'd take any coach in the NFL over Chip.. This article does a good job of breaking down Chip and his system Chip Kelly and the Vanishing Offense

I love this quote from it.. “We knew what plays were coming,” Seahawks linebacker Bobby Wagner said after the game. “Their offense is kind of predictable. They have a lot of plays where they can only run one way.”

Another good one! New Eagles regime highlights problems with Chip Kelly's methods

OK, I'm done.. I've made my peace on this topic and I'm confident Chip will do all the work for me.

Ameraves I'd also like to have the bet count if Chip quits. I see that as a possibility as well.

Convo said:

haha, i should go back and read. I was pretty banged up. Who's a worse coach than Chip Kelly in the NFL?

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Jeff Fisher

really liked jimmy G last night vs the Cards. for at least one game he showed he belongs in the game, if he plays like he did last night for the next 3 games, the boy will either be back next year as the pats backup as the "defacto" brady successor OR will get PAID to be the starting QB somewhere else.

i'm not going to say 4-0 for the patriots , but i'll stay with 3-1 with a very good chance at 4-0.

on my game picking prowess - i doubt i will win this week, but i bet i come close- with 2 games remaining before the winner is chosen i am 11-3 and i was decently close at picking the patriots score, i said 28-21 and the final score was 23-21... i lost the colts titans and atlanta games. ..i mean DETROIT?! WINNING?

Jeff Fisher gonna out coach him tonight.

No surprise, Peter King's MMQB article fellating Garropolo and the pats winning as a bigger upset than Namath over the Colts.

BrutulTM said:

Kelly's 3 seasons in Philly were 10-6, 10-6, 7-9 and the Eagles went 4-12 the year before he got there. I'm not saying he's the next Belichick (who had a worse record in his first 3 years in the NFL) but let's not go full retard with this worst coach in the league nonsense.

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Like I stated above, or go check out the links i posted that really breaks his success down, I will say that his gimmick offense was an initial success but once figured out by the league, he was unable to adjust. But hey, let's see how he does this season. My prediction is he's too arrogant or not creative enough(probably a little bit of both) to ever be successful in this league again.

But I'm taking avatar bets tonight on this.. I'll take Jeff Fisher and the Rams. Who wants Chip and the 49ers? 1 week avatar bet?

Ameraves said:

As noted above, Jeff Fisher, John Fox, and I am going to even argue Jason Garrett. I think an argument could be made for Mike Mularkey and Mike McCoy as well, but it could be too early to tell for those 2.

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Counter for JG argument.

He took over a 1-7 team and without Romo managed to go 5-3 down the stretch. And even though his next three years the Cowboys were 8-8, they were in the race for the division until the very last game while also working to rebuild and restructure an aging roster. Then there was 2014 where the team went 12-4. That was no fluke and is a direct result of those previous three years. Now, you have to attribute failure along with success so 2015 was also a direct result of not valuing the backup QB position while also failing to replace Murray. Now, the Cowboys were in a lot of games late last year, and the team never quit on Garrett like you see some teams do when they realize it's all over.

It's too early to say what this season is going to look like but I don't think Garrett is a bad coach. In fact, I think he's the right coach for dealing with Jerry until Jerry decides to hand the reigns off to Stephen, and it's largely been Stephen, Will McClay, and Garrett pushing the direction of the team anyway. Beyond that, Garrett subscribes to the same Work Hard mentality that Belichick espouses and people like Peter King deep throat constantly, he just hasn't had the same success or lucky Football God breaks as of yet. And given the way things are looking, at the least Jerry is going to give him until about a year after the Romo-to-Dak (or other successor) handoff before replacing him if things don't go well.

If anything JG is closer to Andy Reid than Fox or Fisher. You know, a serviceable coach who can win games but who just can't quite make that extra step toward more success. That'll keep him employed for a bit longer. I mean, Dallas hasn't won anything significant in over 20 years. The standards are a bit lower than they used to be. We're like the early 90s version of the Steelers.

Kings praise of the pats was not saying bigger upset than namath vs colts, but it was the probably the biggest upset of the week. the patriots were 9.5pt underdogs- missing brady (naturally) missing gronk(hamstring), missing 2 starting tackles....vs the #1 offense last year, and a good defense - and despite 2 turnovers that caused 14pts (both giving the cards fairly short fields)..they still won (granted the guy pulled the kick off the bad snap). yes i am a Pats homer. shoot me.