NHL 2013 - 2014 Season Thread
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And again, the injury is what really makes the suspension. Backes was in a much more dangerous position than Toews was when he got hit. Toews had possession of the puck also before he was hit.
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...606797&lang=en
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...606797&lang=en
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But the shoulder isnt the principal point, just the first point.
Principal means the most important point of contact. Do you think thats the shoulder, or the head? What do you think is more important to Toews? Getting hit in the shoulder or his head?
At any rate, I think the outcome of the injury as a deciding factor is also a dumb point to consider. You can have someone hit 2 players the same exact way, under same exact circumstances and have the guy either be carried out on the stretcher, or pop right back up. It depends if he has a glass jaw, if he has had his bell rung before, maybe the check catches him just slightly differently. Why should there be 2 wildly different punishments for same thing?
So to sum it up, every single one of the points below is true:
1. Orpik's skates leave the ice
2. Orpik nails Toews right in the side of the head, clear as day, even the announcers say it, at least Backes got checked in the front of the body
3. Toews was "unsuspecting" and "defenseless"
4. He was definitely injured, you can see it when he is sitting on the bench right afterwards
5. And Toews didnt have the puck for at least a second before getting nailed by Orpik
Why didn't Orpik serve a suspension considering he gave another guy a concussion 3 months earlier?
3, 4, and 5 are not true.
If you know hockey, play it or watch it, youll know that when you have the puck, youre eligible to be hit, so he wasnt defenseless, he should have known a hit was coming.
He was injured, but lets use your logic here and say his head was the principal point of contact. It wasnt his head that was injured, it was his shoulder. You can see him holding his arm. Why wasnt he concussed if it was his head?
If you have control of the puck, there is a "grace period" of time that youre still eligible to be hit. All players know this.
And Orpik wasnt suspended or fined for giving someone a concussion 3 months earlier.
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Nope. Toews was not in possession of the puck. As a matter of fact when Toews gets hit, that puck is about 10 feet away from him at least.
And Backes was not "in a more dangerous position". Toews gets hit from the side and probably doesnt even see the check coming as he gets creamed in the side of the head. Backes gets hit in the front, he at least has a chance to brace for impact.
You need more excuses, bro? Seems like you're running out of them.
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Oh but Backes who was closer to the puck than Toews was a defenseless and unsuspecting little lamb? Give me a fucking break.
Maybe because he doesnt have a head as fragile as Backes? Maybe because he's not as big of a pussy as Backes is? Maybe because his arm hurts more than his head?
I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP. What is the duration of that grace period? All ears.
Backes was closer to the puck but not in possession. Theres a huge difference of in possession and never having possession. If youre in a scrum and you dont have possession, someone cant just come unload on you. Thats how Backes was defenseless. Backes was in that danger area of 2-4 feet away from the boards/dasher where its really dangerous to hit someone because their head can hit the dasher, just like Backes' head did which resulted in a concussion which can be career ending injury. Most shoulder injuries arent career ending, unless your like 40 years old.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26348
Rule 56.1
Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.
Toews was hit almost as soon as the puck left his stick. Backes never even touched the puck when he was hit.
Anything else youd like explained to you to prove that youre wrong some more?
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haha awesome. I am so glad you posted this.
1. Right there at the 10 second mark, Backes is the last one to control the puck before the hit. He looks like he loses control of it with his stick, overshoots it and tries to do a 180 to go back for it
2. Backes is about 4 feet away from the puck. Toews is at least 7-8 feet away from the puck. Start at the 0:50 mark. Announcers even say that Toews doesnt see it coming and that he gets hit in the head
So between these 2 videos we debunked your bullshit claims about puck control, the distance to the puck, and all this other irrelevant garbage you made up as if you had a point
Lets move on to the rest. Somehow Backes being checked by the boards is dangerous but Toews checked by the boards isn't?
And finally, the coup de grace: you originally said there was a grace period of time that you were eligible to get hit. I would like to know what is that time period. What is the duration? I certainly don't see it in that NHL rule about puck possession. So lay these deep truths on me. How long am I still eligible to get hit after I lose control of the puck.
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Hey how many games should Maxim Lapierre get for this one tonight?
For Lapierre, this isn't the first time this season he's hit an opposing player in the numbers, driving them from behind into the boards. In October, San Jose Sharks' defenseman Dan Boyle was taken off the ice on a stretcher when Lapierre hit him from behind.
For Lapierre, this isn't the first time this season he's hit an opposing player in the numbers, driving them from behind into the boards. In October, San Jose Sharks' defenseman Dan Boyle was taken off the ice on a stretcher when Lapierre hit him from behind.
Thats funny as shit. You still dont understand.
Theres a difference between controlling/possession of the puck. Toews made a pass, which is controlling/possessing the puck. Just because he passed it so fast it was far away doesnt mean hes not eligible. You cant sit there and admire your pass. The announcers were right, he didnt see it coming, because he had his head down.
Backes never had control of the puck. His stick touches it, but passes by it. Just like on a delayed penalty, if the team getting the penalty touches the puck but doesnt control it, the refs wont blow the whistle because they never had control of the puck. No control = not eligible to be hit.
Theres a difference between controlling/possession of the puck. Toews made a pass, which is controlling/possessing the puck. Just because he passed it so fast it was far away doesnt mean hes not eligible. You cant sit there and admire your pass. The announcers were right, he didnt see it coming, because he had his head down.
Backes never had control of the puck. His stick touches it, but passes by it. Just like on a delayed penalty, if the team getting the penalty touches the puck but doesnt control it, the refs wont blow the whistle because they never had control of the puck. No control = not eligible to be hit.
Im guessing at least a fine, maybe 1 game since theres no injury.Hey how many games should Maxim Lapierre get for this one tonight?
For Lapierre, this isn't the first time this season he's hit an opposing player in the numbers, driving them from behind into the boards. In October, San Jose Sharks' defenseman Dan Boyle was taken off the ice on a stretcher when Lapierre hit him from behind.
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There was clearly intent. Also no injury though. Guess we will see in the next day if he does get suspended.
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Nah, man. I understand perfectly. If Toews is in possession of that puck, so is Backes. You can't make up arbitrary double standards as to what constitutes possession. If the last person to touch the puck = possession, then Backes was in possession of that puck just like the NHL rule states.
As a matter of fact, the case is even stronger for Backes because Toews voluntarily relinquishes possession by the act of passing. Backes is not only the last person to touch the puck, he actively tries to return to it to control it as he gets hit.
Now, why wont you answer my question about this magical grace period of time? I am very curious to learn. Maybe I've been playing hockey all wrong this entire time!!!
Ive already answered it with Rule 56.1 which says "immediately" after possession is lost by a pass or shot.
Youre not getting it still. Backes was never in possession of the puck just because he touched it. If he was in possession of the puck, then the refs could blow the whistle any time the goalie gives up a rebound just because he touched it. Theres a very distinct line between possession, and just touching the puck.
Youre not getting it still. Backes was never in possession of the puck just because he touched it. If he was in possession of the puck, then the refs could blow the whistle any time the goalie gives up a rebound just because he touched it. Theres a very distinct line between possession, and just touching the puck.
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I'm pretty sure the intent was to paralyze Brookbank by driving him head first into the boards
Well yeah, but thats like charging someone with murder, and attempted murder. You cant charge someone with murder if no one was killed.
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so is there a grace period or there isnt? "immediately" would indicate that there is no grace period. Did you make up this grace period??
Jesus, are you a fucking retard? They even specifically mention goalies.
Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession.
I think you're the one who's not "getting it". But then again, you never really "got it", did you?