No better shows have ever existed than Seinfeld or X-files.
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Both were great shows, neither of them compare to Breaking Bad or Arrested Development. AD had a huge devoted fan base demanding it be put back on the air for 6 damn years before it finally got the green light. That's twice as long add it was even on the air. Breaking Bad has thousands of dedicated fans analyzing every scene more than the Zapruder film.
Seinfeld was the funniest basic tv show of its time, but it was more of a right time right place situation than a transcendent show. Everything was a Friends knockoff and it was just different enough to be interesting.
X-Files was great, too. But when a show you enjoy has its finale and all you can think is "No, shit? I thought it ended years ago" then it can't be the greatest show of all time.
Finally, Grey's Anatomy is a cliched piece of shit that's only slightly better than all the other generic pieces of shit that are the same damn shows with different names. If you're a 4 but you're competing against a bunch of 3s you'll win a lot of awards, but that doesn't make you a good show.
Seinfeld was the funniest basic tv show of its time, but it was more of a right time right place situation than a transcendent show. Everything was a Friends knockoff and it was just different enough to be interesting.
X-Files was great, too. But when a show you enjoy has its finale and all you can think is "No, shit? I thought it ended years ago" then it can't be the greatest show of all time.
Finally, Grey's Anatomy is a cliched piece of shit that's only slightly better than all the other generic pieces of shit that are the same damn shows with different names. If you're a 4 but you're competing against a bunch of 3s you'll win a lot of awards, but that doesn't make you a good show.
Alex
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Too many posts already so I haven't read everything. I love X-Files. And I believe it's one of the greatest TV shows ever created. But we're in a new age of television. X-Files is Hall of Fame worthy, but it pales in comparison to what's out there these days. X-Files had a big part in making more risque story lines and themes part of mainstream television. Hats off.
Ossoi
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LOST was AMAZING for the first 2 seasons. All down hill after season 3.
Plus you're pretty much singlehandedly responsible for dragging down the intellect of this entire sub forum - whether it's demonstrating your lack of knowledge re Game of Thrones or retarded Breaking Bad theories, you're just a joke.
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You can't take fan base into consideration, at least, not as your primary metric. Remember, millions of people watch Honey Boo Boo, Jersey Shore, TMZ... shit TV is shit TV, no matter how many people tune in.
That said, I agree that both the shows you mentioned are great shows, and I would rank them above Seinfeld (which I personally can't stand) and X-Files (which I watched in its entirety and liked).
X-Files is a classic for sure. Weak finish unfortunately, but still a classic.
Seinfeld is completely unwatchable for me because of Jerry Seinfeld. Probably the only comedian in the world who can't even get a half ass chuckle out of me. That is one unfunny fucker.
Seinfeld is completely unwatchable for me because of Jerry Seinfeld. Probably the only comedian in the world who can't even get a half ass chuckle out of me. That is one unfunny fucker.
I just don't understand people who don't like Seinfeld(the show not the man). The show is flawless.
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Agreed.
I never got into X-Files so no comment on that.
The first 4 seasons of Lost are great television. The first 2 seasons of Grey's Anatomy had some of the best writing ever and I really enjoyed it but then stopped watching after the same love triangles repeated themselves for the 300th time.
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I stand behind my statement on the Wire, Breaking Bad and Sopranos being up there as my favorite dramas. Seinfeld is my favorite comedy ever. I've watched it every day for the last 15 years. But, I don't see comparing shows in different genres, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
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I'm not talking about quantity of people, but fan devotion.
Never actually seen Honey Boo Boo, but if it went off the air I don't think anyone would be up in arms. They'd just flip through the channels and find some other shitty reality show and in a year forget it even existed
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You're trying to compare X-Files, a tv show with many filler episodes (the ones wich have no implications whatsoever on the main plot) with only seasons premieres / finales were pertinent to The Wire, a tv show with no fillers, where everything matters, where most of the arc stories affect each other, where character development through seasons is stellar and production (actors, writing, anything really) is top notch. Hence the "troll" calls. The Wire is often considered the best tv show of all time. Of course a lot of people are gonna say otherwise. American Idol reality shows have great ratings, Grey Anatomy has 30 or so awards, doesn't make them great. The Wire never won anything really, and has poor ratings during its airing.
I'm gonna quote wikipedia to resume what is The Wire :Despite only receiving modest ratings and never winning major television awards, The Wire has been described by many critics and fans as one of the greatest TV dramas of all time. The show is recognized for its realistic portrayal of urban life, its literary ambitions, and its uncommonly deep exploration of sociopolitical themes.
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I don't have any problem calling Seinfield the best TV comedy ever.
Nor do I have any issue considering X Files a classic. For drama it is not on the same level as The Wire, for all the reasons previously stated. Harvard teaches a class on the show. It is not overrated. It is perfectly rated as the best show ever.
Given its airtime acclaim, postmortem popularity and overall originality, I think you have to put Arrested Development right up there with Seinfield in the comedy category though. You can still give Seinfeld the top spot though.
All in all this is just a big troll but decent conversation regardless.
Nor do I have any issue considering X Files a classic. For drama it is not on the same level as The Wire, for all the reasons previously stated. Harvard teaches a class on the show. It is not overrated. It is perfectly rated as the best show ever.
Given its airtime acclaim, postmortem popularity and overall originality, I think you have to put Arrested Development right up there with Seinfield in the comedy category though. You can still give Seinfeld the top spot though.
All in all this is just a big troll but decent conversation regardless.
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Word? Gonna have to BT that bitch and give it a binge watch one of these weekends. How close is the season to done?
Some people just instantly hate someone and can never be won over. My brother is like this with Michael Cera, he wants to fight him whenever he sees his face and it ruins any chance he has of enjoying his movies.
My brother is a fucking idiot.